I think you should wait at least 1 week before purchasing - I suspect this design will tire quickly in your eyes
Which is the better reproduction? Sergei Prokofiev 1937 chessmen vs. USSR 1920 Soviet Series
I think you should wait at least 1 week before purchasing - I suspect this design will tire quickly in your eyes
I’ve been eyeing the 1920s version for weeks now. Why do you think the design will tire in my eyes?
Well - then it might be the set for you! I don't mean to discourage if you enjoy it. I just personally feel that reproductions of old soviet era chess sets rarely capture the simple elegance of the originals. I think it's most apparent with the Bishops and Pawns in these examples. But again - it's not my call and I was just offering an opinion when you requested
The repros in your examples are close - at first. But I think they reveal themselves as "chunkier" than the originals and that's why I think they will tire
I wonder if any of the reproduction makers have a physical original set or if they're loosely going by images... the proportions and details seem pretty far off for my taste...
The CE bases are just a complete miss, the Camaratta bishop, knight and rook must be a joke (I'm speaking of the accuracy of reproduction).
They should call it "design based on" instead of "reproduction", then it would pass. But reproduction means you make the exact same set, which they both fail to do.
I wonder if any of the reproduction makers have a physical original set or if they're loosely going by images... the proportions and details seem pretty far off for my taste...
The CE bases are just a complete miss, the Camaratta bishop, knight and rook must be a joke (I'm speaking of the accuracy of reproduction).
They should call it "design based on" instead of "reproduction", then it would pass. But reproduction means you make the exact same set, which they both fail to do.
Oh yeah, I just noticed the tapering collars in the originals, which are absent in both reproductions.
The repros in your examples are close - at first. But I think they reveal themselves as "chunkier" than the originals and that's why I think they will tire
Yeah, I think you could be right. I’m primarily just looking for a cool Soviet set, but there are many beautiful features of the original that neither reproduction replicates. I just noticed the tapering collars in the original which looks really nice. And neither reproduction gets the knight right at all. I like Camaratta’s manes a lot more than in the knight of the Botvinnik–Flohr reproduction (which looks a lot like The Chess Empire’s USSR 1920s manes with the sudden cutoff), but it’s still not it. The Botvinnik–Flohr set is another one I have been eyeing, but the knights are the main reason for not getting it (well, and the price).
I just discovered that two reproductions which claim to be from 1937 and the 1920s respectively are in fact the same design. So now I have three questions:
Okay, I’m actually going to answer the second question myself based on the 1937 photo, but I’m curious about your perspective as well; and I’m curious if you know similar sets of around this time that show some variance.
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The first reproduction is the Sergei Prokofiev 1937 Russian Chessmen by Frank Camaratta.
The Chess Antiques website also shows a comparison between the reproduction and the original:
A fair reproduction, although there are a few fairly significant differences which I will describe in a moment.
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The second reproduction is by The Chess Empire, which is called USSR Timeless Series on their website, and USSR 1920s Soviet Series on Etsy.
This definitely seems to be the same design, so I find it curious that they are both attributed to a different decade. I trust that the first reproduction is indeed of the 1937 match, but it’s possible that the design did originate in the 1920s. It’s interesting that the 1920s reproduction is more accurate to the 1937 set in certain aspects.
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In terms of accuracy to the 1937 original, I think both reproductions get different elements right.
Things that seem more accurate in the reproduction by Frank Camaratta:
Things that seem more accurate in the reproduction by The Chess Empire:
I also want to add that in the reproduction by The Chess Empire, the pawn seems to be the worst; its head is spherical rather than obloid, yet it tapers a bit at the bottom, which the 1937 original pawn does not do. The base is also way too narrow. This makes sense in terms of the hierarchy of the pieces, but an idiosyncrasy of the 1937 set is that the base of the pawn is wider than the rook’s. I also think the base of the queen is a bit too wide, and the base of the bishop perhaps a bit too narrow.
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Despite The Chess Empire getting many things right, I actually prefer the reproduction by Frank Camaratta. I’m quite close to purchasing it, but the muzzle of the knight just bothers me, with its thick chin and long teeth—as well as the elongated ears. I like the head of TCE’s knight more. I would like for the finial of the bishop to be a bit larger as well. Do you think I could request these customizations?
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What’s your take on these reproductions?