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ClearThoseFluffyCookies
https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/international-chess-org-trans-women The FIDE says "Trans women have 'no right to compete' in the women's division. Unlike physical sports, there is no difference between the capabilities of someone born as either gender. These policies do not exist to better the game, nor in the name of fairness; these policies are made to alienate transgender people from participating in competitive chess.
GerToishuv
This is a great rule. Thank you Fide for banning biological males from taking advantage of women. Thank you Fide for protecting women’s right to play chess in a fair environment.
AngryPuffer

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but it is correct

MightierQ

I mean, of course trans women have an unfair advantage, we have the experience of kings and the power of queens!!
Seriously, are people really claiming men are inherently better at chess than women?

chesslover0003

It might help to see the FIDE announcement https://doc.fide.com/docs/DOC/2FC2023/CM2_2023_45.pdf.

TL/DR; FIDE will recognize an individual’s gender identity that is consistent with the identity they maintain in their non chess life AND that has been confirmed by government issued ID.

jkurucar

Does my chess.com subscription support the FIDE organization? If so I'm out, disgusting policy.

chesslover0003
ClearThoseFluffyCookies wrote:
https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/international-chess-org-trans-women The FIDE says "Trans women have 'no right to compete' in the women's division. Unlike physical sports, there is no difference between the capabilities of someone born as either gender. These policies do not exist to better the game, nor in the name of fairness; these policies are made to alienate transgender people from participating in competitive chess.

You have misquoted what FIDE has said:

"In the event that the gender was changed from a male to a female the player has no right to participate in official FIDE events for women until further FIDE’s decision is made." (Emphasis added by me).

FIDE has shared they intend to respect the individual's gender markers on ID. This raises a different issue... it puts an additional burden on players to update gender markers on ID and this may not be possible in some regions.

kizzy_is_back
AngryPuffer wrote:
ClearThoseFluffyCookies wrote:
https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/international-chess-org-trans-women The FIDE says "Trans women have 'no right to compete' in the women's division. Unlike physical sports, there is no difference between the capabilities of someone born as either gender. These policies do not exist to better the game, nor in the name of fairness; these policies are made to alienate transgender people from participating in competitive chess.

imma give a serious answer

they are not real women, obviously. nobody's trying to ¨alienate¨ the wannabe community.

thats like me being on the red team in capture the flag, then suddenly identifying myself as the blue team so i can join them. not how it works lmao

‘Capture the flag’ is not the same as a person’s gender identity.

AngryPuffer
kizzyisgay2 wrote:
AngryPuffer wrote:
ClearThoseFluffyCookies wrote:
https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/international-chess-org-trans-women The FIDE says "Trans women have 'no right to compete' in the women's division. Unlike physical sports, there is no difference between the capabilities of someone born as either gender. These policies do not exist to better the game, nor in the name of fairness; these policies are made to alienate transgender people from participating in competitive chess.

imma give a serious answer

they are not real women, obviously. nobody's trying to ¨alienate¨ the wannabe community.

thats like me being on the red team in capture the flag, then suddenly identifying myself as the blue team so i can join them. not how it works lmao

‘Capture the flag’ is not the same as a person’s gender identity.

same idea

¨i dont want to be this so im going to try to be that because my feeling matter more¨

GYG
ClearThoseFluffyCookies wrote:
 Unlike physical sports, there is no difference between the capabilities of someone born as either gender. 

Talent and potential in general are not well understood. Even the people who study these things have no idea yet. So you don't get to make blanket statements like this. It is still entirely possible that men have an inherent advantage.

chesslover0003
MightierQ wrote:

Seriously, are people really claiming men are inherently better at chess than women?

Women make up only 28% of the workforce in science, technology, engineering and math (STEM). https://www.aauw.org/resources/research/the-stem-gap/

There are clearly a lot of underlying issues preventing women for pursing STEM. I expect some of those issues apply to women in chess as well. It's not that men are inherently better in STEM... possibly, it's that women are systemically disadvantaged.

FIDE is respecting gender markers on IDs... this is a good thing. Unfortunately, not all countries will allow this. I hope FIDE will come up with a solution to allow for such changes if an individual's country does not allow such changes.

AngryPuffer

men are better then chess then women according to the stats. we are just build different psychologically as well

darkunorthodox88
BrianErdelyi wrote:
MightierQ wrote:

Seriously, are people really claiming men are inherently better at chess than women?

Women make up only 28% of the workforce in science, technology, engineering and math (STEM). https://www.aauw.org/resources/research/the-stem-gap/

There are clearly a lot of underlying issues preventing women for pursing STEM. I expect some of those issues apply to women in chess as well. It's not that men are inherently better in STEM... possibly, it's that women are systemically disadvantaged.

FIDE is respecting gender markers on IDs... this is a good thing. Unfortunately, not all countries will allow this. I hope FIDE will come up with a solution to allow for such changes if an individual's country does not allow such changes.

the fact the chess situation has improved considerably since the polgar days for women yet their presence in top chess remains negligible heavily points agaisnt te systemic oppression narrative.
Judith proved women can be top 10 players but the severe lack of women at 2650 level gives much credence to biological gender differences.
And why should this be surprising? Women and men have roughly the same IQ but men are more extreme in the scatter plot on both ends. This is one of Dr peterson's many important points. Take violent individuals. If you look at most violent people the distribution will favor men over women by some reasonable ratio but if you focus on the top 1 percentile of aggressors, virtually ALL are males.
the exact same distribution happens in chess capability most likely. At the lower levels? prob no huge diffference other than a modest advantage to men in spatial reasoning. At the top 0.3 percentile that is super GM's? all men
men are the extreme gender.To think there is zero difference between male and female brains is super unscientific

whisper2016

It depends on the skill level of the player. If Magnus Carlsen identified as a woman tomorrow, he would wipe out the women's competition. It's about fairness. You can maybe allow an average GM or IM into those competitions, but any top player playing in women's chess would just be totally unfair.

lonniespiel

FIDE can't/won't do anything about real issues like:

- cheating in chess, like the Niemann/Carlsen scandal bringing the game into disrepute

- women's sexual assault scandals and disparity/inequality while segregating championships

- real sanctions on Russian players/respect to Ukrainian players.

So instead, they go after an easy target. Typical, but disgusting

kizzy_is_back
AngryPuffer wrote:
kizzyisgay2 wrote:
AngryPuffer wrote:
ClearThoseFluffyCookies wrote:
https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/international-chess-org-trans-women The FIDE says "Trans women have 'no right to compete' in the women's division. Unlike physical sports, there is no difference between the capabilities of someone born as either gender. These policies do not exist to better the game, nor in the name of fairness; these policies are made to alienate transgender people from participating in competitive chess.

imma give a serious answer

they are not real women, obviously. nobody's trying to ¨alienate¨ the wannabe community.

thats like me being on the red team in capture the flag, then suddenly identifying myself as the blue team so i can join them. not how it works lmao

‘Capture the flag’ is not the same as a person’s gender identity.

same idea

¨i dont want to be this so im going to try to be that because my feelings matter more¨

No, not the same idea. The only advantage that the blue team would have is that they have more players in their team, so are you saying that trans women shouldn’t be allowed to because there will be more women? Use real arguments : )

whisper2016
kizzyisgay2 wrote:
AngryPuffer wrote:
kizzyisgay2 wrote:
AngryPuffer wrote:
ClearThoseFluffyCookies wrote:
https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/international-chess-org-trans-women The FIDE says "Trans women have 'no right to compete' in the women's division. Unlike physical sports, there is no difference between the capabilities of someone born as either gender. These policies do not exist to better the game, nor in the name of fairness; these policies are made to alienate transgender people from participating in competitive chess.

imma give a serious answer

they are not real women, obviously. nobody's trying to ¨alienate¨ the wannabe community.

thats like me being on the red team in capture the flag, then suddenly identifying myself as the blue team so i can join them. not how it works lmao

‘Capture the flag’ is not the same as a person’s gender identity.

same idea

¨i dont want to be this so im going to try to be that because my feelings matter more¨

No, not the same idea. The only advantage that the blue team would have is that they have more players in their team, so are you saying that trans women shouldn’t be allowed to because there will be more women? Use real arguments : )

No, because trans women are still biologically male. You can't just let Larry Bird or Kobe into the WNBA, because that would make it completely unfair for biological women and make a mockery of fairness.

AngryPuffer
kizzyisgay2 wrote:
AngryPuffer wrote:
kizzyisgay2 wrote:
AngryPuffer wrote:
ClearThoseFluffyCookies wrote:
https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/international-chess-org-trans-women The FIDE says "Trans women have 'no right to compete' in the women's division. Unlike physical sports, there is no difference between the capabilities of someone born as either gender. These policies do not exist to better the game, nor in the name of fairness; these policies are made to alienate transgender people from participating in competitive chess.

imma give a serious answer

they are not real women, obviously. nobody's trying to ¨alienate¨ the wannabe community.

thats like me being on the red team in capture the flag, then suddenly identifying myself as the blue team so i can join them. not how it works lmao

‘Capture the flag’ is not the same as a person’s gender identity.

same idea

¨i dont want to be this so im going to try to be that because my feelings matter more¨

No, not the same idea. The only advantage that the blue team would have is that they have more players in their team, so are you saying that trans women shouldn’t be allowed to because there will be more women? Use real arguments : )

i was talking about something else. dont apply the same example to something i was not even talking about

AngryPuffer
whisper2016 wrote:
kizzyisgay2 wrote:
AngryPuffer wrote:
kizzyisgay2 wrote:
AngryPuffer wrote:
ClearThoseFluffyCookies wrote:
https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/international-chess-org-trans-women The FIDE says "Trans women have 'no right to compete' in the women's division. Unlike physical sports, there is no difference between the capabilities of someone born as either gender. These policies do not exist to better the game, nor in the name of fairness; these policies are made to alienate transgender people from participating in competitive chess.

imma give a serious answer

they are not real women, obviously. nobody's trying to ¨alienate¨ the wannabe community.

thats like me being on the red team in capture the flag, then suddenly identifying myself as the blue team so i can join them. not how it works lmao

‘Capture the flag’ is not the same as a person’s gender identity.

same idea

¨i dont want to be this so im going to try to be that because my feelings matter more¨

No, not the same idea. The only advantage that the blue team would have is that they have more players in their team, so are you saying that trans women shouldn’t be allowed to because there will be more women? Use real arguments : )

No, because trans women are still biologically male. You can't just let Larry Bird or Kobe into the WNBA, because that would make it completely unfair for biological women and make a mockery of fairness.

exactly

kizzy_is_back
AngryPuffer wrote:
kizzyisgay2 wrote:
AngryPuffer wrote:
kizzyisgay2 wrote:
AngryPuffer wrote:
ClearThoseFluffyCookies wrote:
https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/international-chess-org-trans-women The FIDE says "Trans women have 'no right to compete' in the women's division. Unlike physical sports, there is no difference between the capabilities of someone born as either gender. These policies do not exist to better the game, nor in the name of fairness; these policies are made to alienate transgender people from participating in competitive chess.

imma give a serious answer

they are not real women, obviously. nobody's trying to ¨alienate¨ the wannabe community.

thats like me being on the red team in capture the flag, then suddenly identifying myself as the blue team so i can join them. not how it works lmao

‘Capture the flag’ is not the same as a person’s gender identity.

same idea

¨i dont want to be this so im going to try to be that because my feelings matter more¨

No, not the same idea. The only advantage that the blue team would have is that they have more players in their team, so are you saying that trans women shouldn’t be allowed to because there will be more women? Use real arguments : )

i was talking about something else. dont apply the same example to something i was not even talking about

I was replying to the ‘same idea’

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