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AngryPuffer
Botvinnik_the_6th wrote:
AngryPuffer wrote:

your momentum is gone now. you just sound stupid

I would think that the person who struggles to understand basic statistics and basic definitions is the one sounding stupid.

lonniespiel
whisper2016 wrote:
lonniespiel wrote:
Coddiwompler wrote:
lonniespiel wrote:
Coddiwompler wrote:
lonniespiel wrote:
Coddiwompler wrote:
lonniespiel wrote:

Not sure what the Russian invasion of Ukraine has to do with this subject, though Russia's attitudes towards transgender people is pretty hostile, and FIDE is run by a Russian. Meanwhile, Russian players aren't sanctioned by FIDE (except Karjakin), and Ukrainian players are victimised doubly.

But probably best not to get sidetracked down unknowns

I found it interesting that the same people/countries that promote transgenderism, etc. also promote perpetual war in Ukraine.

So do you find it tedious that other countries supplying Ukraine are not supportive of transgenderism, like Poland? Or perhaps it is mildly frustrating that countries that have a positive attitude to transgenderism aren't sanctioning Russia, like India? Or maybe there isn't really a pattern, or anything interesting, but rather we're just talking about different things?

The issue is transgenderism in chess, not the Ukraine war

Ignoring first part...

As I said, if FIDE removes women's tournaments and women's titles, there will be no problems with transgenderism in chess.

To be honest, I agree that the best thing would be non segregation in chess. But prominent women players and organisations have suggested that women only events offer them opportunities to compete in a safe environment whereas a number of women have claimed to be victims of sexual harassment in open events.

That's why I think FIDE are misguided targeting the transgender non issue, when there are real issues for them to tackle which they choose to ignore

Women sexually abuse other women/girls as well

Of course, and men abuse men/boys. But women in chess want a safe environment essentially from men, and for the moment that means they want exclusively women only spaces. They're the victims, so I'm happy to listen to what they're saying

Just my opinion but I think the whole sexual assault at other tournaments is overblown. I can’t pretend to know what conversations happen to women after games however

Cool, so you don't know and neither do I. But it's been flagged as an issue and FIDE are doing nothing about it. Instead they target transgender when it isn't an issue. That's what I'm trying to say.

Syntax_Error_64
AngryPuffer wrote:
Botvinnik_the_6th wrote:
AngryPuffer wrote:

your momentum is gone now. you just sound stupid

I would think that the person who struggles to understand basic statistics and basic definitions is the one sounding stupid.

Wowwwwww such a nice and formulated argument!

AngryPuffer
Syntax_Error_64 wrote:
AngryPuffer wrote:
Botvinnik_the_6th wrote:
AngryPuffer wrote:

your momentum is gone now. you just sound stupid

I would think that the person who struggles to understand basic statistics and basic definitions is the one sounding stupid.

Wowwwwww such a nice and formulated argument!

Coddiwompler
Syntax_Error_64 wrote:
Coddiwompler wrote:
lonniespiel wrote:
Coddiwompler wrote:
lonniespiel wrote:
Coddiwompler wrote:
lonniespiel wrote:
Coddiwompler wrote:
lonniespiel wrote:

Not sure what the Russian invasion of Ukraine has to do with this subject, though Russia's attitudes towards transgender people is pretty hostile, and FIDE is run by a Russian. Meanwhile, Russian players aren't sanctioned by FIDE (except Karjakin), and Ukrainian players are victimised doubly.

But probably best not to get sidetracked down unknowns

I found it interesting that the same people/countries that promote transgenderism, etc. also promote perpetual war in Ukraine.

So do you find it tedious that other countries supplying Ukraine are not supportive of transgenderism, like Poland? Or perhaps it is mildly frustrating that countries that have a positive attitude to transgenderism aren't sanctioning Russia, like India? Or maybe there isn't really a pattern, or anything interesting, but rather we're just talking about different things?

The issue is transgenderism in chess, not the Ukraine war

Ignoring first part...

As I said, if FIDE removes women's tournaments and women's titles, there will be no problems with transgenderism in chess.

To be honest, I agree that the best thing would be non segregation in chess. But prominent women players and organisations have suggested that women only events offer them opportunities to compete in a safe environment whereas a number of women have claimed to be victims of sexual harassment in open events.

That's why I think FIDE are misguided targeting the transgender non issue, when there are real issues for them to tackle which they choose to ignore

Women sexually abuse other women/girls as well

Of course, and men abuse men/boys. But women in chess want a safe environment essentially from men, and for the moment that means they want exclusively women only spaces. They're the victims, so I'm happy to listen to what they're saying

They can play among each other, just not in official tournaments and they should not get any W titles. Problem solved

No? That's literally the whole problem with FIDE's rulings

Nope, that is the solution.

Botvinnik_the_6th
Coddiwompler wrote:
lonniespiel wrote:
Coddiwompler wrote:
lonniespiel wrote:
Coddiwompler wrote:
lonniespiel wrote:
Coddiwompler wrote:
lonniespiel wrote:

Not sure what the Russian invasion of Ukraine has to do with this subject, though Russia's attitudes towards transgender people is pretty hostile, and FIDE is run by a Russian. Meanwhile, Russian players aren't sanctioned by FIDE (except Karjakin), and Ukrainian players are victimised doubly.

But probably best not to get sidetracked down unknowns

I found it interesting that the same people/countries that promote transgenderism, etc. also promote perpetual war in Ukraine.

So do you find it tedious that other countries supplying Ukraine are not supportive of transgenderism, like Poland? Or perhaps it is mildly frustrating that countries that have a positive attitude to transgenderism aren't sanctioning Russia, like India? Or maybe there isn't really a pattern, or anything interesting, but rather we're just talking about different things?

The issue is transgenderism in chess, not the Ukraine war

Ignoring first part...

As I said, if FIDE removes women's tournaments and women's titles, there will be no problems with transgenderism in chess.

To be honest, I agree that the best thing would be non segregation in chess. But prominent women players and organisations have suggested that women only events offer them opportunities to compete in a safe environment whereas a number of women have claimed to be victims of sexual harassment in open events.

That's why I think FIDE are misguided targeting the transgender non issue, when there are real issues for them to tackle which they choose to ignore

Women sexually abuse other women/girls as well

Of course, and men abuse men/boys. But women in chess want a safe environment essentially from men, and for the moment that means they want exclusively women only spaces. They're the victims, so I'm happy to listen to what they're saying

They can play among each other, just not in official tournaments and they should not get any W titles. Problem solved

How does that solve the problem? Women already play in open tournaments and just use Women's tournament as an extra opportunity to play chess.

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AngryPuffer wrote:
Syntax_Error_64 wrote:
AngryPuffer wrote:
Botvinnik_the_6th wrote:
AngryPuffer wrote:

your momentum is gone now. you just sound stupid

I would think that the person who struggles to understand basic statistics and basic definitions is the one sounding stupid.

Wowwwwww such a nice and formulated argument!

Joke's on you, I take that as a compliment

Botvinnik_the_6th
Coddiwompler wrote:
Syntax_Error_64 wrote:
Coddiwompler wrote:
lonniespiel wrote:
Coddiwompler wrote:
lonniespiel wrote:
Coddiwompler wrote:
lonniespiel wrote:
Coddiwompler wrote:
lonniespiel wrote:

Not sure what the Russian invasion of Ukraine has to do with this subject, though Russia's attitudes towards transgender people is pretty hostile, and FIDE is run by a Russian. Meanwhile, Russian players aren't sanctioned by FIDE (except Karjakin), and Ukrainian players are victimised doubly.

But probably best not to get sidetracked down unknowns

I found it interesting that the same people/countries that promote transgenderism, etc. also promote perpetual war in Ukraine.

So do you find it tedious that other countries supplying Ukraine are not supportive of transgenderism, like Poland? Or perhaps it is mildly frustrating that countries that have a positive attitude to transgenderism aren't sanctioning Russia, like India? Or maybe there isn't really a pattern, or anything interesting, but rather we're just talking about different things?

The issue is transgenderism in chess, not the Ukraine war

Ignoring first part...

As I said, if FIDE removes women's tournaments and women's titles, there will be no problems with transgenderism in chess.

To be honest, I agree that the best thing would be non segregation in chess. But prominent women players and organisations have suggested that women only events offer them opportunities to compete in a safe environment whereas a number of women have claimed to be victims of sexual harassment in open events.

That's why I think FIDE are misguided targeting the transgender non issue, when there are real issues for them to tackle which they choose to ignore

Women sexually abuse other women/girls as well

Of course, and men abuse men/boys. But women in chess want a safe environment essentially from men, and for the moment that means they want exclusively women only spaces. They're the victims, so I'm happy to listen to what they're saying

They can play among each other, just not in official tournaments and they should not get any W titles. Problem solved

No? That's literally the whole problem with FIDE's rulings

Nope, that is the solution.

Solution to what? Trans people in chess aren't an issue at all.

lonniespiel
Coddiwompler wrote:
lonniespiel wrote:
Coddiwompler wrote:
lonniespiel wrote:
Coddiwompler wrote:
lonniespiel wrote:
Coddiwompler wrote:
lonniespiel wrote:

Not sure what the Russian invasion of Ukraine has to do with this subject, though Russia's attitudes towards transgender people is pretty hostile, and FIDE is run by a Russian. Meanwhile, Russian players aren't sanctioned by FIDE (except Karjakin), and Ukrainian players are victimised doubly.

But probably best not to get sidetracked down unknowns

I found it interesting that the same people/countries that promote transgenderism, etc. also promote perpetual war in Ukraine.

So do you find it tedious that other countries supplying Ukraine are not supportive of transgenderism, like Poland? Or perhaps it is mildly frustrating that countries that have a positive attitude to transgenderism aren't sanctioning Russia, like India? Or maybe there isn't really a pattern, or anything interesting, but rather we're just talking about different things?

The issue is transgenderism in chess, not the Ukraine war

Ignoring first part...

As I said, if FIDE removes women's tournaments and women's titles, there will be no problems with transgenderism in chess.

To be honest, I agree that the best thing would be non segregation in chess. But prominent women players and organisations have suggested that women only events offer them opportunities to compete in a safe environment whereas a number of women have claimed to be victims of sexual harassment in open events.

That's why I think FIDE are misguided targeting the transgender non issue, when there are real issues for them to tackle which they choose to ignore

Women sexually abuse other women/girls as well

Of course, and men abuse men/boys. But women in chess want a safe environment essentially from men, and for the moment that means they want exclusively women only spaces. They're the victims, so I'm happy to listen to what they're saying

They can play among each other, just not in official tournaments and they should not get any W titles. Problem solved

Let's take away the few scraps we've thrown their way?

I thought the idea was to attract more women to the game?

How about me and you give up telling women what's best for them, and instead listen to them and help to accommodate and include them?

Syntax_Error_64
Coddiwompler wrote:
Syntax_Error_64 wrote:
Coddiwompler wrote:
lonniespiel wrote:
Coddiwompler wrote:
lonniespiel wrote:
Coddiwompler wrote:
lonniespiel wrote:
Coddiwompler wrote:
lonniespiel wrote:

Not sure what the Russian invasion of Ukraine has to do with this subject, though Russia's attitudes towards transgender people is pretty hostile, and FIDE is run by a Russian. Meanwhile, Russian players aren't sanctioned by FIDE (except Karjakin), and Ukrainian players are victimised doubly.

But probably best not to get sidetracked down unknowns

I found it interesting that the same people/countries that promote transgenderism, etc. also promote perpetual war in Ukraine.

So do you find it tedious that other countries supplying Ukraine are not supportive of transgenderism, like Poland? Or perhaps it is mildly frustrating that countries that have a positive attitude to transgenderism aren't sanctioning Russia, like India? Or maybe there isn't really a pattern, or anything interesting, but rather we're just talking about different things?

The issue is transgenderism in chess, not the Ukraine war

Ignoring first part...

As I said, if FIDE removes women's tournaments and women's titles, there will be no problems with transgenderism in chess.

To be honest, I agree that the best thing would be non segregation in chess. But prominent women players and organisations have suggested that women only events offer them opportunities to compete in a safe environment whereas a number of women have claimed to be victims of sexual harassment in open events.

That's why I think FIDE are misguided targeting the transgender non issue, when there are real issues for them to tackle which they choose to ignore

Women sexually abuse other women/girls as well

Of course, and men abuse men/boys. But women in chess want a safe environment essentially from men, and for the moment that means they want exclusively women only spaces. They're the victims, so I'm happy to listen to what they're saying

They can play among each other, just not in official tournaments and they should not get any W titles. Problem solved

No? That's literally the whole problem with FIDE's rulings

Nope, that is the solution.

Who does that benefit?

Coddiwompler
Botvinnik_the_6th wrote:
Coddiwompler wrote:
lonniespiel wrote:
Coddiwompler wrote:
lonniespiel wrote:
Coddiwompler wrote:
lonniespiel wrote:
Coddiwompler wrote:
lonniespiel wrote:

Not sure what the Russian invasion of Ukraine has to do with this subject, though Russia's attitudes towards transgender people is pretty hostile, and FIDE is run by a Russian. Meanwhile, Russian players aren't sanctioned by FIDE (except Karjakin), and Ukrainian players are victimised doubly.

But probably best not to get sidetracked down unknowns

I found it interesting that the same people/countries that promote transgenderism, etc. also promote perpetual war in Ukraine.

So do you find it tedious that other countries supplying Ukraine are not supportive of transgenderism, like Poland? Or perhaps it is mildly frustrating that countries that have a positive attitude to transgenderism aren't sanctioning Russia, like India? Or maybe there isn't really a pattern, or anything interesting, but rather we're just talking about different things?

The issue is transgenderism in chess, not the Ukraine war

Ignoring first part...

As I said, if FIDE removes women's tournaments and women's titles, there will be no problems with transgenderism in chess.

To be honest, I agree that the best thing would be non segregation in chess. But prominent women players and organisations have suggested that women only events offer them opportunities to compete in a safe environment whereas a number of women have claimed to be victims of sexual harassment in open events.

That's why I think FIDE are misguided targeting the transgender non issue, when there are real issues for them to tackle which they choose to ignore

Women sexually abuse other women/girls as well

Of course, and men abuse men/boys. But women in chess want a safe environment essentially from men, and for the moment that means they want exclusively women only spaces. They're the victims, so I'm happy to listen to what they're saying

They can play among each other, just not in official tournaments and they should not get any W titles. Problem solved

How does that solve the problem? Women already play in open tournaments and just use Women's tournament as an extra opportunity to play chess.

No transgender issues if all chess tournaments are open and there are no more W titles '

Complete and total equality, baby! evil

Botvinnik_the_6th
AngryPuffer wrote:
Botvinnik_the_6th wrote:
AngryPuffer wrote:

your momentum is gone now. you just sound stupid

I would think that the person who struggles to understand basic statistics and basic definitions is the one sounding stupid.

Not really helping your image here, mate

Botvinnik_the_6th
Coddiwompler wrote:
Botvinnik_the_6th wrote:
Coddiwompler wrote:
lonniespiel wrote:
Coddiwompler wrote:
lonniespiel wrote:
Coddiwompler wrote:
lonniespiel wrote:
Coddiwompler wrote:
lonniespiel wrote:

Not sure what the Russian invasion of Ukraine has to do with this subject, though Russia's attitudes towards transgender people is pretty hostile, and FIDE is run by a Russian. Meanwhile, Russian players aren't sanctioned by FIDE (except Karjakin), and Ukrainian players are victimised doubly.

But probably best not to get sidetracked down unknowns

I found it interesting that the same people/countries that promote transgenderism, etc. also promote perpetual war in Ukraine.

So do you find it tedious that other countries supplying Ukraine are not supportive of transgenderism, like Poland? Or perhaps it is mildly frustrating that countries that have a positive attitude to transgenderism aren't sanctioning Russia, like India? Or maybe there isn't really a pattern, or anything interesting, but rather we're just talking about different things?

The issue is transgenderism in chess, not the Ukraine war

Ignoring first part...

As I said, if FIDE removes women's tournaments and women's titles, there will be no problems with transgenderism in chess.

To be honest, I agree that the best thing would be non segregation in chess. But prominent women players and organisations have suggested that women only events offer them opportunities to compete in a safe environment whereas a number of women have claimed to be victims of sexual harassment in open events.

That's why I think FIDE are misguided targeting the transgender non issue, when there are real issues for them to tackle which they choose to ignore

Women sexually abuse other women/girls as well

Of course, and men abuse men/boys. But women in chess want a safe environment essentially from men, and for the moment that means they want exclusively women only spaces. They're the victims, so I'm happy to listen to what they're saying

They can play among each other, just not in official tournaments and they should not get any W titles. Problem solved

How does that solve the problem? Women already play in open tournaments and just use Women's tournament as an extra opportunity to play chess.

No transgender issues if all chess tournaments are open and there are no more W titles '

Complete and total equality, baby!

The point of women's tournaments is to improve women's chess which, as you have pointed out, is not strong when compared to male chess players. The point of these tournaments and titles is to support a marginalised group.

AngryPuffer
Botvinnik_the_6th wrote:
AngryPuffer wrote:
Botvinnik_the_6th wrote:
AngryPuffer wrote:

your momentum is gone now. you just sound stupid

I would think that the person who struggles to understand basic statistics and basic definitions is the one sounding stupid.

Not really helping your image here, mate

AngryPuffer

ur just funny to mess with its hard to take you seriously anymore 😂😂😂

Botvinnik_the_6th
AngryPuffer wrote:

ur just funny to mess with its hard to take you seriously anymore 😂😂😂

I don't care, mate, make a fool out of yourself all you want.

AhmedAryan
AngryPuffer wrote:
Botvinnik_the_6th wrote:
AngryPuffer wrote:
Botvinnik_the_6th wrote:
AngryPuffer wrote:

your momentum is gone now. you just sound stupid

I would think that the person who struggles to understand basic statistics and basic definitions is the one sounding stupid.

Not really helping your image here, mate

Coddiwompler
Botvinnik_the_6th wrote:
Coddiwompler wrote:
Botvinnik_the_6th wrote:
Coddiwompler wrote:
lonniespiel wrote:
Coddiwompler wrote:
lonniespiel wrote:
Coddiwompler wrote:
lonniespiel wrote:
Coddiwompler wrote:
lonniespiel wrote:

Not sure what the Russian invasion of Ukraine has to do with this subject, though Russia's attitudes towards transgender people is pretty hostile, and FIDE is run by a Russian. Meanwhile, Russian players aren't sanctioned by FIDE (except Karjakin), and Ukrainian players are victimised doubly.

But probably best not to get sidetracked down unknowns

I found it interesting that the same people/countries that promote transgenderism, etc. also promote perpetual war in Ukraine.

So do you find it tedious that other countries supplying Ukraine are not supportive of transgenderism, like Poland? Or perhaps it is mildly frustrating that countries that have a positive attitude to transgenderism aren't sanctioning Russia, like India? Or maybe there isn't really a pattern, or anything interesting, but rather we're just talking about different things?

The issue is transgenderism in chess, not the Ukraine war

Ignoring first part...

As I said, if FIDE removes women's tournaments and women's titles, there will be no problems with transgenderism in chess.

To be honest, I agree that the best thing would be non segregation in chess. But prominent women players and organisations have suggested that women only events offer them opportunities to compete in a safe environment whereas a number of women have claimed to be victims of sexual harassment in open events.

That's why I think FIDE are misguided targeting the transgender non issue, when there are real issues for them to tackle which they choose to ignore

Women sexually abuse other women/girls as well

Of course, and men abuse men/boys. But women in chess want a safe environment essentially from men, and for the moment that means they want exclusively women only spaces. They're the victims, so I'm happy to listen to what they're saying

They can play among each other, just not in official tournaments and they should not get any W titles. Problem solved

How does that solve the problem? Women already play in open tournaments and just use Women's tournament as an extra opportunity to play chess.

No transgender issues if all chess tournaments are open and there are no more W titles '

Complete and total equality, baby!

The point of women's tournaments is to improve women's chess which, as you have pointed out, is not strong when compared to male chess players. The point of these tournaments and titles is to support a marginalised group.

I did not say anything about women are "not strong when compared to male chess players"

Women are not inherently a marginalized group; rather, they deserve equal opportunities to excel. By eliminating gender-specific chess titles and exclusive women-only FIDE rated tournaments, we can pave the way for genuine equality.

This approach will enable women to compete and showcase their abilities on a level playing field, aligning with their innate potential. This strategy recognizes that everyone, regardless of sex, can perform at their fullest God given potential.

AngryPuffer

it seems to me that if men and women are the same at chess then what that means is that men must put much more time into the game in order to get better

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Or they have more opportunities to do so?

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