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PRESSALTF4

People play this against me, the fried liver attack. What move should i play?Sometimes I can't castle because i play other moves

AJMOHIO

Good question!

As black, simply castling is the best response. If the bishop and knight decide to trade themselves for a rook and a pawn, black has the advantage since two minor peices are generally superior to a rook and a pawn, especially in the opening. This becomes evident when you think about how many squares each can cover: a bishop and knight can cover far more than a rook and a pawn. After castling, white's knight is stranded too far forward, and very likely to move back several moves later.

xman720

5: Nc3 is an interesting move by white in your diagram. Most white players will play 5: O-O or 5: Nxf7 

5: Bxf7+ is uncomfortable for white because after the king moves he has a hanging bishop (attacked once defended once) guarded by an easily kicked defender.



SquareBlitz

I prefer to play this line... 


Only because in your variation, after Bc5, instead of Nc3, Nxf7 is much better and winning. 

sasoaksns12345
Just do d4 if someone tries the fried liver arrack
macer75

The Fried Liver Attack has been refuted:

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-openings/my-refutation-to-the-fried-liver

Shivansh_Gadhia

I fall for the fried liver as well

ricflairdrippp
Tricky one
Awesomedude2053
SquareBlitz wrote:

I prefer to play this line...

Only because in your variation, after Bc5, instead of Nc3, Nxf7 is much better and winning.

Nxf7 for white is not winning

magipi
Awesomedude2053 wrote:
SquareBlitz wrote:

I prefer to play this line...

Only because in your variation, after Bc5, instead of Nc3, Nxf7 is much better and winning.

Nxf7 for white is not winning

The guy surely appreciates an answer 9 years later. He might even answer back is 2034.

JayThe10th
Awesomedude2053 wrote:
SquareBlitz wrote:

I prefer to play this line...

Only because in your variation, after Bc5, instead of Nc3, Nxf7 is much better and winning.

Nxf7 for white is not winning

Well actually, with best play white has a +1 advantage, but very hard to defend.

also this is a few years prior, why even bother? I agree with magipi.

Uhohspaghettio1

Why are so many people so clueless about what the Fried Liver is? What's so confusing about it? I've even seen chess youtubers whose job is chess seem to think this.

Does it say in some book or a chess.com tutorial that 4. Ng5 is the Fried Liver or something?

That is just the two knights defence. After black plays 4. .. d5 then white plays 5. exd5.

Then black can play 1) Polerio defence: Na5 or 2) Nxd5.

2) Nxd5 allows the notorious Fried Liver Attack - 6. Nxf7. which is interesting because black is ok in theory with absolute perfect play, but in reality he's "cooked", like a fried liver. The fried liver isn't something black really plays seriously.

If you are still confused, perhaps reading about Polerio will keep you up to date with the theory of the late 1500s/early 1600s and you will never have to face the Fried Liver again.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giulio_Cesare_Polerio

magipi
Uhohspaghettio1 wrote:

Why are so many people so clueless about what the Fried Liver is?

I might be wrong, but I think it was Levy Rozman who started calling the "Two Knights" as "Fried liver attack" for no reason. Of course, he knows very well the the Fried liver is something else, but that guy would sell his own grandmother for one additional click.

Lent_Barsen

It looks to me like the diagram position is from the Giuoco Piano, not the Fried Liver. The Fried Liver arises from the Two Knights.

Your position is probably from.

Here black can just castle.

Lent_Barsen
magipi wrote:
Uhohspaghettio1 wrote:

Why are so many people so clueless about what the Fried Liver is?

I might be wrong, but I think it was Levy Rozman who started calling the "Two Knights" as "Fried liver attack" for no reason. Of course, he knows very well the the Fried liver is something else, but that guy would sell his own grandmother for one additional click.

Off topic for sure, but can anyone explain why Rozman is so popular? I don't get it.

Ethan_Brollier
Lent_Barsen wrote:
magipi wrote:
Uhohspaghettio1 wrote:

Why are so many people so clueless about what the Fried Liver is?

I might be wrong, but I think it was Levy Rozman who started calling the "Two Knights" as "Fried liver attack" for no reason. Of course, he knows very well the the Fried liver is something else, but that guy would sell his own grandmother for one additional click.

Off topic for sure, but can anyone explain why Rozman is so popular? I don't get it.

He's very high energy and understands trends among the younger chess population, appealing more to the entertainment side of chess than the educational side. He's also pretty much the only one who does it on the scale that he does.

ChessAGC_YT

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