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orejano

Hi All. I'm having problems when facing 1.d4 I tryed to go to Queen's gambit (both accepted and declined) and lost almost every game (my butt was kicked every time) so I switched to KID but then again lost almost every game, switched to the slav and semi-slav with the same results. And I do not like the nimzo indian because you need so much theory to master it and it can be transposed to another systems very easly.

So, do you have a repertoire against 1.d4 with black? What do you recomend for a club level player? 


likesforests

Orejano> What do you recomend for a club level player?

All of those systems sound reasonable, so I wonder if the flaws are in how you're going about learning them or which specific lines you chose.

 

Orejano, how did you go about trying to learn these openings? Which specific lines did you try, and do you prefer your positions wild and tactical or quiet and positional? In the Slav and Semi-Slav, for example, whether or not Black takes the gambit pawn has a huge impact on the shape of the game and your decision should probably be guided as much by your preferred style of play as by what is the objectively best move.


Shruikon

You could try the Benko Gambit.

1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 c5 3.d5 b5 


Paintbucket
I use the Chigorin Defense (1. d4 d5 2. c4 Nc6) and the Anti-Torre (1.d4 d5 2. Nf3 Bg4). Both are active and get the pieces moving, plus they are easy to learn.
Falcao

  You should choose one that fits your style and read an opening's book that explains clearly what are the main ideas of the opening, ie. what spots you shold aim to create an outpost in the future, which bishop you shuold try to trade, queenside vs.kingside attacks, and so forth.

  Since I started playing again I only play the KID and Dragon Sicilian with black. I'll probably add the Najdorf and modern Benoni in the near future.


fischer-inactive

Do you think that you'll just magically start winning games after learning the first 3 or 4 moves of an opening? Sorry, but it doesn't work that way. You need to study an opening in depth and not just memorize a few moves. (BTW, you couldn't possibly have studied all of the openings you mentioned.)


orejano
fischer wrote:

Do you think that you'll just magically start winning games after learning the first 3 or 4 moves of an opening? Sorry, but it doesn't work that way. You need to study an opening in depth and not just memorize a few moves. (BTW, you couldn't possibly have studied all of the openings you mentioned.)


 How would you know what and how much I have studied or not? I never saw you around my home when I was with my board a my books....

EDIT: Now I get it... you managed to get yourself a "Palantir".
Smartattack
Shruikon wrote:

You could try the Benko Gambit.

1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 c5 3.d5 b5 


Benko has lots of theory, very playable even though


fischer-inactive

If your "butt was kicked every time" you played the Queen's Gambit Accepted, Queen's Gambit Declined, King's Indian Defense, Slav, and Semi-Slav, then obviously the problem lies with the player, not the opening. These openings are played at the highest levels of chess by the strongest grandmasters in the world. If the QGA is good enough for Kasparov but not for you, then that should tell you something.


orejano
fischer wrote:

If your "butt was kicked every time" you played the Queen's Gambit Accepted, Queen's Gambit Declined, King's Indian Defense, Slav, and Semi-Slav, then obviously the problem lies with the player, not the opening. These openings are played at the highest levels of chess by the strongest grandmasters in the world. If the QGA is good enough for Kasparov but not for you, then that should tell you something.


 Yes, it tells me that those opening are not for me (at least not now) That'w way I'm looking for something else. And that's is the reason I made this post. 


fischer-inactive
orejano wrote:

 Yes, it tells me that those opening are not for me...


It tells me something else.


platolag

At your level opening is not really the issue. Correct opening sequences become most critical at the master/grandmaster level. i will advise you to work on your tactical ability, positional understanding, how you value your pieces viz a viz your opponents, your pawn structure, piece placement, endgame analysis. if you adhere to improve your middle game and endgame, you will find out that the opening is less of the problem. if you look at some of my games i usually play out of book opening but still manage to win because of those factors mentioned earlier.


orejano
fischer wrote: orejano wrote:

 Yes, it tells me that those opening are not for me...


It tells me something else.


 right... i forgot.... Palantir.


fischer-inactive
platolag wrote:

At your level opening is not really the issue...


Exactly.


sleepless_knight

try the dutch! - 1. d4 f5

also, youre not losing because the opening is flawed, its because you havent studied it in depth or are just losing in the middle or endgame.


Carnicero

I was playing 1...Nc6 against everything for a long time and did some good results. Against 1.d4 some lines might go 1...Nc6
2.d5 Ne5

2.Nf3 d5

2.c4 e5

 


Negoba

I personally think that playing the most obvious lines when you're new is the best way to go. With e4 that leads you either to the Italian Game or Ruy Lopez. With d4 it goes to QGD.

The biggest thing is stick with the opening for awhile, go back and analyze your game, and likely the opening isn't where you lost. Virtually all games below 1600 and maybe 2000 are decided by tactics, not opening theory. Opening TRAPS are just tactics, and that's a different matter. It's been said a thousand times, if you're less than 2000, pick an opening, learn that traps that come up in it, and then go study tactics.


Negoba
My favorite book (as a club level player) is Chernev's Logical Chess Move by Move, whose 2nd section of 3 is all about d4.
TalFan

Against d4 I would play the KID . It is safe and relatively easy to play . It is harder for a beginner to defend against d4 in general . Nimzo indian is not too bad , as you swap off a piece straight away . You find both hard , so it probably means you need to study them a bit more , check out games where Fischer played KID as black as a guide


rgp89
Follow the opening principles and thank for the many variations and openings.