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batgirl
KillaBeez wrote: batgirl wrote:

"a gambit is to sac a pawn to gain time space or open lines etc, but to sac a piece after 2 moves is simply suicide, and most half decent players would rejoice if their opponent played it . I suggest you rename it the hari kari !"

 

Hmmm . . . . . then would you call sacking 2 pieces in the opening hari hari kari kari?

 


That is the highly complex and theoretical Muzio Gambit.  Those are fun and almost sound piece sacrifices while White loses a piece for virtually nothing in the Chicago Gambit


Then you agree. Sacking a piece or even 2 pieces in the opening doesn't constitute suicide . The idea of a gambit, whether it's a pawn, 2 pawns, a piece, two pieces lies in the compensation. Are you sufficiently compensated for the material by virtue of position, development or initiative?  That's what makes gambits fun - you put it all on the line right in the opening and say "prove me wrong!" If you stick your tongue out, so much the better.


batgirl

As Pawn&two at chessgames.com observered in his typical precise manner:

This game is also included in Jacques Pope's book, "Harry Nelson Pillsbury - American Chess Champion". The game also appeared in print in the Brooklyn Daily Eagle, 01/12/1899.

Playing White was D.T. Phillips. The game was played in a simultaneous exhibition in Chicago, IL on 01/07/1899. This simultaneous exhibition was unusual in that Pillsbury played both chess and checkers. His score at chess was +20 -2 =5 and his score at checkers was +7 -1 =2.

 


oginschile

I'm often found dangling my tongue in a taunting manner after throwing my pieces away. I have found it has a confusing effect on my opponent who usually turns away and offers a draw.

This has been less effective online though, and has the negative effect of keeping my wife and kids away from me.


scandinaviandefense
Ok, I will make a different forum with analysis of the gambit.
Graw81
Smartattack wrote: I wouldn t go by there,white has too few compensation for the lost knight

 I agree. A better alternative is the Dnaish Gambit if you want a firey game or put weaker players nerve to the test!


Chelex

There's an interesting article by Tim Krabbe about the Halloween gambit, i.e. the Chicago Gambit with an extra knight move each, here:

http://www.xs4all.nl/~timkr/tour/breeze.htm

 

 

 


scandinaviandefense

Very interesting Chelex! Thank you.

  


millerthesmurf
its quite well known actuallty
scandinaviandefense
Yes, the Halloween or Leipzig Gambit is fairly well known.
roxcee_chezz

i think that it is not applicable to play because to lose a piece with no exchange of piece is so very hard to play, usually if your opponent was good in playing chess..

i suggest further analysis for this kind of opening!! 


feyterman
cosmin wrote:

I've found something really funny on Wikipedia : An apocryphal tale is told of the anonymous inventor of the gambit. On his deathbed, when asked what subtle idea lay behind the gambit, his last words were reportedly: "I hadn't seen the king's pawn was defended.

My oppinion about this oppening: Its very unsound and bad looking.

Indeed white has speedy development, but he is down a piece.

And I think , if booth players have approximately the same rating, black will always win.  


hahahahahah what a great story! that would be so funny if it was true!


sirfraijo

I think that gambit is better (or less worse) in the four knight opening:

 

 It could be very interesting in blitz games of course.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Another alternative to these crazy ideas could be the Salvio Gambit:

 


funnyrook13
i most likely woundnt play this at all. it does look interesting though. but in futher analisys it looks devatasting for white
scandinaviandefense
The "Salvio Gambit" is more commonly known as the Jerome Gambit, is most likely better than the Chicago and the Halloween or Leipzig Gambit (In the 4 Knights). White only ends up losing 1 pawn, and Black's king is very uncomfortable, and Black can get blown off the board if he fails to procede in an accurate manner. However, in the Giuoco Piano, I play the Evans Gambit (4. b4), and so have never attepted the Jerome/Salvio.
perrypawnpusher

Salvio Gambit???

sirfraijo, please, please tell me where you saw that name attached to 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 4.Bxf7+ .

I suspect there's a Salvio Gambit in the King's Gambit family that features a White Bishop capture on f7, but the above line in the Giuoco Piano, as far as I know, has always been attributed to Alonzo Wheeler Jerome.

Finding a connection to Salvio would be truly revolutionary. Do tell.

For those interested in Jerome's Double Opening, come on my my blog: http://jeromegambit.blogspot.com

uritbon

i would really like to play that in one of my games (not in an inportant one), it seems to lead to fun positions if played wildly...

Elubas

even if white didn't have to sacrifice a piece, black could still defend the chicago gambit position if he played well.

gibberishlwmetlkwn

There is no need for controversy over the name "Chicago Gambit".  This - poor - opening is known as the Schulze-Muller Gambit.

Pseudoprogrammer

Halloween Gambit.

Qxe8

Here is a line I came up with that will destroy the white center, the only plus he has. Check the move list to see what happens if white declines the pawn. Also, I messed up the annotations. Sorry. If white plays Nc3 instead of c3, then comes Bb4.