What do you think of the Soller Gambit??
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it goes 1. d4...e5,,,2.dxe5...Nc6,,,3. exf6...Nxf6
excuse me, instead of Nc6...play f6
awesome weapon! i wonder why nobody plays it!
Seriously... If someone plays it against me (no way i never play 1.d4), I would go into reverse refused king gambit :
The correct move order is:
This is the soller gambit. I have played it in tournaments against strong players and won numerous times. White maintains a +0.71 lead after the main variation. It is veryyy fun to play and the surprise value has quite an effect 
poucin wrote:
Seriously... If someone plays it against me (no way i never play 1.d4), I would go into reverse refused king gambit :
Black plays d5 in the final position and is perfectly fine
indeed 2...f6 is the real move order but it just transposes.
Let's play some moves with your d5 :
U think black is fine here?
Englund/Soller gambiters are in the same category that BlackDiemer gambiters (Diemer played Soller, not surprising, its kind of BDG reversed) : die hard fans who are just lacking lucidity, only swearing for their pet opening which is not so good...
i have a friend who plays it regularly, great fun ;-)
Poucin recommends the same line that Buecker and Bronznik recommend. Black's best, according to Stefan Buecker, is 5...d6, but the point is that 3.e4! "brings the second player to the brink of defeat" (Bronznik p.11).
SmyslovFan wrote:
Poucin recommends the same line that Buecker and Bronznik recommend. Black's best, according to Stefan Buecker, is 5...d6, but the point is that 3.e4! "brings the second player to the brink of defeat" (Bronznik p.11).
not according to stockfish
poucin wrote:
indeed 2...f6 is the real move order but it just transposes.
Let's play some moves with your d5 :
U think black is fine here?
Englund/Soller gambiters are in the same category that BlackDiemer gambiters (Diemer played Soller, not surprising, its kind of BDG reversed) : die hard fans who are just lacking lucidity, only swearing for their pet opening which is not so good...
yeah black is in an inferior position. I would agree with you IM poucin. BUT admit that it is a FUN gambit to play haha.
This is the Englund Gambit Complex: Soller Gambit
And it's bad. Black is a tempo ahead for a pawn so he develops the knight but white can pin it right away.
64pieman wrote:
The pin is never usually played as there are stronger continuations for white. I do not see any reason why the pin would be a bust for black. The play is too sharp for my style of play but white has to be careful if black plays with accuracy and that is where the problem is for black he must play with accuracy. At our level we are not accurate. very interesting to study though.
The pin is the best move
64pieman wrote:
The pin is never usually played as there are stronger continuations for white. I do not see any reason why the pin would be a bust for black. The play is too sharp for my style of play but white has to be careful if black plays with accuracy and that is where the problem is for black he must play with accuracy. At our level we are not accurate. very interesting to study though.
"The pin is never usually played as there are stronger continuations for white. I do not see any reason why the pin would be a bust for black. The play is too sharp for my style of play but white has to be careful if black plays with accuracy and that is where the problem is for black he must play with accuracy. At our level we are not accurate. very interesting to study though."
Good comment. I like 3. Nf3 and if 3...d5 4. exd6 ep Bxd6 5. e4, Black has other third move choices of course so there's some prep and memory for white involved, but I think white's going to be in the cat bird's seat more often than not.
1. d4 e5 2. dxe5 f6 3. Nf3 fxe5 and 4. e4 is an alternative to 4. Nxe5 (d). Almost looks like a fairly normal double king pawn open but black's kingside has been made vulnerable for no good reason.
1. d4 e5 2. dxe5 f6 3. Nf3 fxe5 4. e4 Nf6 5. Bc4 Bb4+ 6. c3 Bd6 7. O-O Rf8
7...Rf8, now that's a move to make you sit up and take notice! Whatever white plays in response to that though, you just gotta think this position can't be good for black with his king stuck in the middle of the board. Sooner or later, if white doesn't screw up badly, black's gonna lose this, don't you think?
Moreover, why not 9.Bh6? Black is completely lost here.
64pieman wrote:
b6 ! looks okay for now. why would white win the exchange and lose a good bishop ?
I can understand you to defend a gambit up to a point where it's playable-not-great (in the lines of the Albin and BDG with some half decent busts), but stay realistic: in that situation throwing the exchange is simply lost and kind of refutes the whole purpose of Rf8. Not by analysis, by board review: White is actually decently developed for facing a gambit, Black's king is centralized, already has king side weaknesses and first and foremost, Rf8 is trapped there. After 9....b6 White can just play 10.Nd2 or Nf3 and continue with proper moves. 9.Bh6 is a good move, not essentially because of BxR straight away. I'm honestly wondering what Black's compensation is here.
Earlier in the 3.Nf3 variation Black can go with 5....Bc5!? (or even 6....Bc5) with a Traxler kind of setup that White may not enjoy, especially with the d-pawn gone. I'm right in that assessment, SF only gives that a ~+0.5 which surprises me: White has not made any weird moves yet faces a relatively dangerous position.
Interesting, in that sense I think 3.Nf3 is not overly ambitious (even though it has better variations but seems shaky) and 3.exf6 plays in Black's game. I guess 3.e4! questions the gambit the most as 3....fxe5 is unplayable (similar to how fxe5 is unplayable in the KGD: different color pawn, same threat) and Black has to commit a defensive move instead: in a gambit if you're forced to play a defensive move, it's rarely good.
And please don't get me wrong: I play my share of gambits so I'm looking for logical moves, not refutations.