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TadDude

In a Swiss style tournament you do not know whether you will play the higher rated players. They could do badly leaving you, the tournament winner, without your norm since you beat only low-rated players.

In an all play all the organizers should be able to figure out what score will earn a norm.

Is there a calculator to do this? Doesn't seem to be fun to do this manually.   http://www.fide.com/fide/handbook.html?id=58&view=article

For those who think it is fun, concrete examples. What is the required score for an IM norm, if it is possible, in these two tournaments.
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Name Club FIDE Rating ECF Grade
GM Cherniaev , Alexander Russia 2446 233
GM Arkell, Keith England 2412 231
FM Zhou, Yang-Fan England 2325 225
IM Rudd, Jack England 2297 210
FM Dunworth, Christopher England 2288  
Hulshof, Peter Netherlands 2191  
FM Suarez Roa, Jose  Spain 2207  
Josse, Mark England 2159 199
WIM Makka, Ioulia Greece 2119  
Lenier, Jude England 2022 177

 

and  http://e2e4.org.uk/international/2011/Brighton_Feb/mastersB.htm

Name Club FIDE Rating ECF Grade
GM Gormally, Danny England 2484 231
IM Slavin, Alexey Russia 2417 227
FM Tiruchirapalli,  India 2302 215
IM Tozer, Richard England 2298 204
FM Therrien, Alex England 2251  
Haydon, David England 2247 199
Willmoth, Robert England 2209 204
Player, Edmund England 2179 197
Clement Sreeves Scotland 2093  
WFM Norinkeviciute, Rasa Lithuania 2022 173

 

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TadDude

This boils the rules down a little.  See Calculating Grandmaster and International Master norms.

boljen

Hi, I just saw this old message. Even in a round robin tournament the required scores for a norm can vary between the players in the tournament. The requirement for a player can even vary depending on who the player wins against.

I have made norm calculator at my web site. Give it the ratings of known opponents and the corresponding results, and it can calculate if a player have made a title perfomance, or which average rating for unknown players and score is required to make one. Find it at http://skaktal.dk/en/norm.php. Enjoy yourself!

TadDude
boljen wrote:

Hi, I just saw this old message. Even in a round robin tournament the required scores for a norm can vary between the players in the tournament. The requirement for a player can even vary depending on who the player wins against.

I have made norm calculator at my web site. Give it the ratings of known opponents and the corresponding results, and it can calculate if a player have made a title perfomance, or which average rating for unknown players and score is required to make one. Find it at http://skaktal.dk/en/norm.php. Enjoy yourself!

I finally had to create a spreadsheet to calculate norms.

Your calculator works great. Looks like it takes care of increasing one opponent rating if it is too low. I tripped on that one recently.

I did have a bit of trouble entering a draw until I figured out I could paste the "½" from "½ for draw".

boljen
TadDude wrote:

I finally had to create a spreadsheet to calculate norms.

Your calculator works great. Looks like it takes care of increasing one opponent rating if it is too low. I tripped on that one recently.

I did have a bit of trouble entering a draw until I figured out I could paste the "½" from "½ for draw".

Yes, it knows about the adjusted rating floor. It knows that won games may be ignored. It knows that if the norm requirements are exceeded by one or more full points, then the length of the tournament is considered to be extended by that number of number of games. What it fails to handle, is the titles and nationalities of the opponents.

I did not consider that "½" can be hard to enter as there is a key for that character on Danish keyboards. What alternative character would you like to use to indicate draws?

TadDude
boljen wrote:
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I did not consider that "½" can be hard to enter as there is a key for that character on Danish keyboards. What alternative character would you like to use to indicate draws?

It may save a few people some frustration if .5 was accepted. Failing that, perhaps "D" or maybe just add a note that the "½" can be pasted.

boljen

Now .5 and even just 5 is accepted to indicate draws by the norm calculator at http://skaktal.dk/en/norm.php. Thank you for the suggestion.

WhySoSeriousW-23L-0
boljen wrote:

Now .5 and even just 5 is accepted to indicate draws by the norm calculator at http://skaktal.dk/en/norm.php. Thank you for the suggestion.

I am not able to access this. It says it is not a secure web site.

camberlot

Resolved (hopefully) - FIDE Norm Calculator

I've also guessed it wasn't fun to calculate this manually.

I' m now able to calculate norms according to fide rules instantly in tournament up to 11 rounds (Robin or swiss).

- Print FIDE reports

- Switch last round results. (I guess it 's usefulll in swiss tournament)

So far it seems to work fine with the known example.

I 'm working with the "Tournament Report File crosstable (the report file sent to fide)

So that I have all required informations to calculate norm (Name, Fide #, Gender, Federation, Rating, Results ...)

I 'm in a testing mode so far.

Let me know if you have a TRF file example

Philippe, National Arbiter (only !)

teremyalex

FIDE norm calculator: https://tlchessfoundation.com/en/norm.php

khalisthingsc
camberlot wrote:

Resolved (hopefully) - FIDE Norm Calculator

I've also guessed it wasn't fun to calculate this manually.

I' m now able to calculate norms according to fide rules instantly in tournament up to 11 rounds (Robin or swiss).

- Print FIDE reports

- Switch last round results. (I guess it 's usefulll in swiss tournament)

So far it seems to work fine with the known example.

I 'm working with the "Tournament Report File crosstable (the report file sent to fide)

So that I have all required informations Start calculating your score to calculate norm (Name, Fide #, Gender, Federation, Rating, Results ...)

I 'm in a testing mode so far.

Let me know if you have a TRF file example

Philippe, National Arbiter (only !)

Great post

Mittttens

The norm of a partition is the maximum length of one of the intervals inside the partition

Mittttens

To calculate the norm, take the absolute difference between consecutive elements of the partition and find the maximum

Mittttens

Hoped this helped!