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Who had the best opening, middle game and endgame ever?

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Rational_Optimist

rubinestien lived in capa era and left us a valuable heritage in endgame(also in other parts of the game).

ofcourse i put rubinstien higher than capa in the endgame list.

mvtjc
tesla1 wrote:
mvtjc wrote:

About the Alekhine-Capablanca even Alekhine admitted that Capablanca did not prepare well for their match while Alekhine performed rigorous(lol) training for the match.

when did capa prepare well?after all what was the standard of preparation 90 years ago?

Uhmm are you implying they can't read chess books and don't have a board in front of them to analyze 90 years ago? hmm..

mvtjc
tesla1 wrote:
mvtjc wrote:

Oh sorry, I didn't know you can beat Capablanca since he only wins games against noob opponents.

 ad hominem fallacy+straw man fallacy.

i said look at his moves not his result.results dont necessarily mean a player has played well.because maybe he has played with a weak player.in this game capa blundered and his oponent blundered too.both of them overlooked simple moves.

i understand he played a long time ago but this doesent justify such mistakes.so i dont see a reason why capa should be in top of the list.

I am a philosophy student and I know all that fallacies, stating those won't make you look more intelligent. BTW, the only way to win against someone stating you committed logical fallacies is to troll them, so yeah, I'm trollin you bro, peaceLaughing(and if you are one of those boring guys who doesn't have a life and takes everything seriously, this means I am giving up my argument not in boring professional way.)

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TetsuoShima wrote:

But Fischer said one remarkable thing about Capa, he said about Capa: his opponents said he played the endgame perfectly, even if he did, how could his opponents know it

I would say it's stupid, not remarkable.

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When they measured Capa's play against an engine, I recall he was the closest of any of the world champions. He would probably be accused of cheating if Houdini was around then.

Unfirtunately, it was difficult to get Houdini to run on a

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Cnacnel wrote:
TetsuoShima wrote:

But Fischer said one remarkable thing about Capa, he said about Capa: his opponents said he played the endgame perfectly, even if he did, how could his opponents know it

I would say it's stupid, not remarkable.

why is it stupid, do you think his opponents could say that he played perfectly? maybe rubinstein could, but most people wouldnt be able to tell if it were played perfectly or not

That reasoning wouldn't allow me to say that someone's singing impeccably, because I myself can't sing at all. Therefore, I cannot know if he's indeed a good singer.

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Ubik42
TetsuoShima wrote:
Ubik42 wrote:

When they measured Capa's play against an engine, I recall he was the closest of any of the world champions. He would probably be accused of cheating if Houdini was around then.

Unfirtunately, it was difficult to get Houdini to run on a

 

 

i heard the same about fischer

http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=3455

 

Capa, then Kramnik. etc.

mvtjc

Stupid thing to say that you an't judge something because you are not good at it, then why are there judges in contests? I can say you are a better player than me if you always beat me in chess. I don't need to be better than you to know that you are better than me, that would be. .uhmm.. confusing?!?

Rational_Optimist
mvtjc wrote:
tesla1 wrote:
mvtjc wrote:

Oh sorry, I didn't know you can beat Capablanca since he only wins games against noob opponents.

 ad hominem fallacy+straw man fallacy.

i said look at his moves not his result.results dont necessarily mean a player has played well.because maybe he has played with a weak player.in this game capa blundered and his oponent blundered too.both of them overlooked simple moves.

i understand he played a long time ago but this doesent justify such mistakes.so i dont see a reason why capa should be in top of the list.

I am a philosophy student and I know all that fallacies, stating those won't make you look more intelligent. BTW, the only way to win against someone stating you committed logical fallacies is to troll them, so yeah, I'm trollin you bro, peace(and if you are one of those boring guys who doesn't have a life and takes everything seriously, this means I am giving up my argument not in boring professional way.)

off topic irrelevant and nonsense.

Rational_Optimist
pfren wrote:

You should not take Fischer's evaluations about the greatest players for real. He did not include in them any Soviet, or Jewish players- so Botvinnik, or Lasker, or... were not in his list.

Oh, and Fisher was actually envying anyone who had displayed a greater authority than his. Capa is included, of course.

Fischer did not stay undefeated for eight consecutive years, nor he was blitzing the moves against the strongest available competition, even in extremely complex positions- like Capa did.

For me, Capa is absolutely the top of the list, although Carlsen may replace him (if he does not lose interest in chess, that is).

how many games did capa played during those eight years?who were his oponents?how many super tournaments did we have in those 8 years?we had also first world war in those times which stopped serious chess activities for a long time.chess in fischer era was much more popular and we had stronger players in those times.nowadays it is practically impossible to play regularly in super tournaments and be undefeated for eight years since we are living in computer era everyone can have access to resources and chess is much more competitive.but i can ask did capa gain 19 consecutive wins against the best players in the world in highest level?( not in blitz or simultaneous etc)

and someone said capa wasnt prepared for his match against alekhine.well  did Lasker was prepared for his match against capa in 1921?no war made him poor and he was in a poor form and played very weakly.

Rational_Optimist
mvtjc wrote:
tesla1 wrote:
mvtjc wrote:

About the Alekhine-Capablanca even Alekhine admitted that Capablanca did not prepare well for their match while Alekhine performed rigorous(lol) training for the match.

when did capa prepare well?after all what was the standard of preparation 90 years ago?

Uhmm are you implying they can't read chess books and don't have a board in front of them to analyze 90 years ago? hmm..

i m talking about standard of preparation.how many chess books did they have?computers? preparation was important but anyway standard of preparation in those times was very low and there was a lot of scope for creativity on the board.

and i asked when did capa prepare well? he is famous for the fact he never really worked hard for chess.