Forums

New Variant Idea: Ahab Chess

Sort:
andrew47221

I'm sorry for my English, btw

andrew47221

I have a question. What happens is the Ahab is a pawn, and the pawn gets promoted?

LumboDenClipper

i hope chess.com adds that chess variation

NorthStC

I think the one lightning kill is a good idea. If you notice an opponent is being very protective of one piece you can take it out. On one hand Ahab was killed by a stray arrow, which is still possible, but perhaps the other nation would have noticed one chariot was continual withdrawing from dangerous areas and sent a volley of arrows.

Another option is playing with check. So for example if my opponent threatens my light-squared bishop (ahab), I MUST retreat it, or capture the attacker. My bishop cannot move to a location if an opponent could recapture it. The opponent of course does not know anything happened when he puts me in check, but it just gives him a way he could potentially figure it out.

Green_Sleeves
Andrei-Cristian2009 wrote:

I have a question. What happens is the Ahab is a pawn, and the pawn gets promoted?

I had actually thought of this, and if you manage to promote an Ahab pawn, then you'd end up with a royal Queen. If this happens, you're pretty much guaranteed a win. At that point, I think you'd deserve it, though, since it's very hard to promote in a normal game of chess, and it's also very hard to avoid getting an Ahab pawn captured.

NorthStC

that makes the ahab can only be a pawn rule better too

Green_Sleeves
Green_Sleeves wrote:

Well, there are two problems with that.

First, if neither player knows which piece is royal, then the game will truly be firing at random with no strategy whatsoever. It becomes a game of chance more so than of strategy.

Second, if Ahab is always one of the pawns, then every game player will just sacrifice all their major pieces immediately to capture as many pawns as possible. Every game would end very quickly.

It’s an interesting suggestion, but I just don’t think it would work out.

This problem would still remain.

NorthStC

right... I forgot about that. Unless all the pieces were pawns too XD

Green_Sleeves

XD

HGMuller
NorthStChamp schreef:

I think the one lightning kill is a good idea.

I don't think so. I would just take out the opponent Queen, and play protectively with my King and Rooks, one of which I randomly appoint as Ahab. For the Rooks this would be quite natural anyway, as the opponent would have no Queen, so I would only have to shy from Rook trades, which is not much of a handicap. The opponent now only has a 33% chance to guess which of my pieces is Ahab; if he guesses wrong he will get easily beaten, since I am at least a Queen vs Rook ahead. These are not very good odds for him, and it would be better to immediately take out my Queen too. So all the rule does is making sure the game will be played without Queens.

arctevious_the_3rd

bro i came up with this like a month ago haha, i posted about it but i gave it a different name and slightly different rules, however its very similar in idea here's the post i made if you wish to do a dual support in order to get the game on chess.com https://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-variants/i-request-to-include-my-secret-kings-variant?newCommentCount=1&page=1#first_new_comment hope it becomes a thing grin.png

Green_Sleeves

Hey, that's cool! Looks like you beat me to the punch by a month or two tongue.png Yeah, we should work together. The rules are slightly different, so we'd need to decide on which rules to use, but this is really neat.

arctevious_the_3rd

yea! haha though i like your name better, more authentic and more original!

arctevious_the_3rd

i think id pick a horse because they would be hard to capture and could jump out of problems!

thenomalnoob
Green_Sleeves đã viết:

Also, one detail of the story that I left out. Ahab was disguised as a normal soldier, but he was still riding in a chariot.

1 Kings 22:34-35 (ESV)
But a certain man drew his bow at random and struck the king of Israel between the scale armor and the breastplate. Therefore he said to the driver of his chariot, “Turn around and carry me out of the battle, for I am wounded.” And the battle continued that day, and the king was propped up in his chariot facing the [enemy army], until at evening he died. And the blood of the wound flowed into the bottom of the chariot.

A nice story

HGMuller
arctevious_the_3rd schreef:

i think id pick a horse because they would be hard to capture and could jump out of problems!

A Knight is very easily checkmated by a Queen; the latter doesn't even need help from her own King. K+R or B+R can also checkmate a bare N.

OTOH, even 2Q+R cannot checkmate a Rook.

Green_Sleeves
Green_Sleeves

Finished a game of Ahab Chess. I'm black, and @arctevious_the_3rd is white. It was a really good game. Pieces highlighted in red above are Ahab royals.

arctevious_the_3rd

haha, love the description you made there at the end, i felt if that had a modified game analysis then i think that would have been a brilliant move. it took me a while to think of it because i was so sure i lost haha

yolosolo123
Someone else also proposed this and they called it hidden kings