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Martin0

Normally when you are seeding players it looks like this:

Group A Group B Group C Group D
Seed 1 Seed 2 Seed 3 Seed 4
Seed 8 Seed 7 Seed 6 Seed 5
Seed 9 Seed 10 Seed 11 Seed 12
Seed 16 Seed 15 Seed 14 Seed 13

However, for the next pogchamps it looks like this (link):

Group A Group B Group C Group D
Seed 1 Seed 2 Seed 3 Seed 7
Seed 4 Seed 5 Seed 6 Seed 11
Seed 8 Seed 9 Seed 10 Seed 15
Seed 12 Seed 13 Seed 14 Seed 16

Notice any difference? It is clear that in terms of strength Group A > Group B > Group C > Group D. Group D is made especially weak compared to the others. Chess.com will likely become accused of making rigged pairings to make it easier for some players in group D to make it through the group stage, as if they favor some streamer.

At least I think chess.com should admit that they intentionally make group D weaker instead of pretending that they make fair groups. This seeding is clearly not made to make the groups equally strong.

dbroxx

they make fun groups  with close matches because its a fun tournament.  If u want to cry you can cry about the fact 500rated players will win 1k$ while  2k+ players struggle to win 20 bucks

Martin0

The players are streamers on twitch. They earned their spot by being influencers and just by participating their audience is exposed to chess. No need to cry about that, they deserve to be there.

Some streamers spend a lot of time to improve and are taking this tournament seriously. If the tournament is said to be seeded, of course we expect fair pairings. Otherwise it is an insult to the competitors.

chesschesskid

they are biased 

how can some people not tell

Typewriter44

Here's the problem with your logic. Normally yes, it would be 1/8/9/16, when the seeds have been earned. But in this case, the seeds are simply based on rating. If they had a regular season to determine the seedings, this seeding wouldn't make sense. But with 1/8/9/16, nobody stands a chance except for the favorites. It's set up so there can be upsets.

Group A Group B Group C Group D
Seed 1 (guaranteed to win) Seed 2 (guaranteed to win) Seed 3 (guaranteed to advance) Seed 4 (highly likely to advance)
Seed 8 (medium chance of advancing) Seed 7 (likely to advance) Seed 6 likely to advance) Seed 5 (highly likely to advance)
Seed 9 (medium chance of advancing) Seed 10 (unlikely to advance) Seed 11 (unlikely to advance) Seed 12(little to no chance of advancing)
Seed 16 (no chance of advancing) Seed 15 (no chance of advancing) Seed 14 (very low chance of advancing) Seed 13 (little to no chance of advancing 

 

Whereas with the current seeding:

Group A Group B Group C Group D
Seed 1 (Good chance) Seed 2 (good chance) Seed 3 (good chance) Seed 7 (decent chance)
Seed 4 (decent chance) Seed 5 (decent chance) Seed 6 (decent chance) Seed 11 (decent chance)
Seed 8 (low but still existant chance) Seed 9 (low but still there) Seed 10 (medium-low chance) Seed 15 (medium-low chance)
Seed 12 (low chance) Seed 13 (low chance) Seed 14 (low chance) Seed 16 (medium-low chance)
Martin0

Group C is barely changed, so the chances of advancing there should be about the same.

 

Not sure why you have something against seeding only by ratings. Most chess tournaments, including the world cup (where the winner gets for a spot in the candidates) is seeded by ratings.

 

I would need to see the ratings of each player to see the chance of a player advancing. I'm not totally against making upsets more likely, but I think both players and spectators deserve an explanation instead of the organizers pretending this is a fair competitive format.

Typewriter44

I'm not against it being seeded by rating, but if it is seeded by rating, the 1/8/9/16 format is completely unfair. The higher seeds didn't do anything to earn those seeds, they just got them from having a higher rating. 

Timetoskrill

Some of you forget there is a consolation pracket. If you make "fair" seedings in the preliminary stage the tournament won t be split in a stronger and a weaker half. In the current state some players who should be in the normal pracket have to go in the lower pracket just because they had lucky groups. For Example mizkif and Austin are by far the weakest players and both in Group D. This means the other 2 particpiants in group d will get into the main bracket without problems. Another Problem is that it actively hurts your chances to play good games. Just lose some on purposes and you get a higher chance to advance. For somemone who has the ambition to win this tournament it's just not fair.

PlayingViking

Group D is ridicilous. And 8th seed gets shafted HARD. 7th seed most "lucky" person.

Also compare seed 10 and 11...

chesschesskid

oof seed 7 vs seed 8

Timetoskrill
Typewriter44 hat geschrieben:

I'm not against it being seeded by rating, but if it is seeded by rating, the 1/8/9/16 format is completely unfair. The higher seeds didn't do anything to earn those seeds, they just got them from having a higher rating. 

But the higher seeds should advance, right? Because if there are some upsets in the groups the weaker players will get crushed in the higher bracket and the higer seeds have it way to easy. If you want to have more tension in the groups you will have less in the brackets.