Again you are going off topic David. This makes me even more suspicious now
Chess.com sucks
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Oct 27, 2024
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justbefair wrote:
Stonewall_Defence wrote:
Title says it all
Hmm. You sound mad.
You have played nearly 26,000 games here. What happened?
Did something change? There must have been something of redeeming value to keep you here all those thousands of hours.
The experience has been getting worse and worse after I joined in 2022. 2022 very good amazing. 2023 first half of the year was good December 2023 very bad. 2024 even worse. I do not know why chess.com give a poorer quality in terms of experience now?
Oct 27, 2024
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#24
JailhouseTaught wrote:
The paywall sucks. Tear down this wall, Mr Stahl.
Seriously though, this site used to be a lot better back in the day when you didn’t have to pay for everything. Of course, they didn’t have all the features they had now like assisted analysis and bot opponents.
It does suck that they have succumbed to that to the capitalist mindset. Refusing to invest any kind of effort into their mobile users experience is also pretty stupid considering that we’re a user base that is only guaranteed to expand.
Like so many other companies they will eventually be destroyed by their decisions to value profit above else. At least the C-levels and investors got rich though. After all, isn’t that what really matters?
Seriously though, this site used to be a lot better back in the day when you didn’t have to pay for everything. Of course, they didn’t have all the features they had now like assisted analysis and bot opponents.
It does suck that they have succumbed to that to the capitalist mindset. Refusing to invest any kind of effort into their mobile users experience is also pretty stupid considering that we’re a user base that is only guaranteed to expand.
Like so many other companies they will eventually be destroyed by their decisions to value profit above else. At least the C-levels and investors got rich though. After all, isn’t that what really matters?
I totally agree with you this is a very obvious for profit company.
Oct 27, 2024
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#25
FelixN2022 wrote:
Again you are going off topic David. This makes me even more suspicious now
I am QUOTING YOUR COMMENT and responding DIRECTLY TO IT. That means I'm not the one taking things in an off topic direction, if that's even what this is.
Oct 27, 2024
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#26
FelixN2022 wrote:
I totally agree with you this is a very obvious for profit company.
What are you even on about? Of course it's an "for profit company" - most companies are. And it's not like Chess.com is pretending to be a non-profit and tricking people into thinking that they are. What is the problem with that? Is it that you believe there should not be any for-profit organisations and everything should be provided to you free of charge?
Oct 27, 2024
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#27
David wrote:
sndeww wrote:
David wrote:
Except they're not valuing profit above everything else - watch any of the videos in https://www.chess.com/forum/view/general-chess-discussion/erik-allebest-interview-on-scaling-to-100m-revenue-150m-members-and-700-people-99989457 from earlier this year and you'll see what really motivates them.
when i joined in 2019 you used to be able to do 5 puzzles a day. Now it's down to what, three? With no membership.
For game analysis you could do the free analysis at depth 10 in 2019 and it'll still work pretty well but now I don't think that exists anymore.
Getting paid fairly for the services you provide is perfectly reasonable. Are they charging up to what the market will bear? I think they're charging considerably less.
Seriously even if you buy membership you still get a bad playing experience worse if you play a cheater it is just best to abort the game because chess.com never refunds you for losing against a cheater nowadays
Oct 27, 2024
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#28
Chess.com is asking you to pay for a bad playing experience this is a very bad type of for profit company
Oct 27, 2024
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#29
FelixN2022 wrote:
Chess.com is asking you to pay for a bad playing experience this is a very bad type of for profit company
Asking you to pay for something is not bad: if you don't like the service they're selling, stop paying for it and go elsewhere and tell them why you're going elsewhere. It's not a monopoly where you have no other options. If you continue to pay them for something you don't like, who is being dumb here? If you log a Support ticket, they'll even refund you the amount of any future premium membership that you haven't yet used - you don't have to be locked in for the rest of the year. Constructive feedback on how they can improve their product will help them understand whether they need to price their product more competitively, balanced against the need to cover the costs they are incurring. I agree that some companies are predatory and should be fined and/or regulated, but Chess.com is not one of them.
Oct 27, 2024
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#30
sndeww wrote:
David wrote:
Except they're not valuing profit above everything else - watch any of the videos in https://www.chess.com/forum/view/general-chess-discussion/erik-allebest-interview-on-scaling-to-100m-revenue-150m-members-and-700-people-99989457 from earlier this year and you'll see what really motivates them.
when i joined in 2019 you used to be able to do 5 puzzles a day. Now it's down to what, three? With no membership.
For game analysis you could do the free analysis at depth 10 in 2019 and it'll still work pretty well but now I don't think that exists anymore.
When I didn't have membership, I thought you can do like 10 puzzles a day by watching adds or something. Did they take this away?
Oct 27, 2024
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#31
You could watch ads and the last time I remember doing this to get more puzzles was like late 2022 to early 2023 I think they removed this feature some while ago but I am not sure
Oct 27, 2024
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#32
#13 — you have a good point, but shouldn’t they be putting some of that money into creating a better experience for their users instead of lining their pockets?
Chess.com doesn't have all the features you'd dream of but it's enough for me.
Oct 27, 2024
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#34
Stonewall_Defence wrote:
Let’s see: terrible lag times, annoying ads, every feature costing money, and my opponents time always being rounded up. Not to mention constantly being flagged in winning positions.
funny u had to post this forum on chess.com itself.
Oct 27, 2024
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#36
JailhouseTaught wrote:
#13 — you have a good point, but shouldn’t they be putting some of that money into creating a better experience for their users instead of lining their pockets?
Why do you assume they're "lining their pockets" and NOT sending the money on improving their website or the services they offer or indeed trying to grow the game overall and attract new people and young people to the game? They're paying more than 30 people on their fair play team. They've bankrolled things like the POG Champs and Speed Chess Championship. They're constantly releasing new bots. They were first with Puzzle Rush - that wouldn't have existed without Chess.com taking a punt on it, and it's not something that lichess would have worked on without the demand for it emerging out of nowhere.
David wrote:
FelixN2022 wrote:
Chess.com is asking you to pay for a bad playing experience this is a very bad type of for profit company
Asking you to pay for something is not bad: if you don't like the service they're selling, stop paying for it and go elsewhere and tell them why you're going elsewhere. It's not a monopoly where you have no other options. If you continue to pay them for something you don't like, who is being dumb here? If you log a Support ticket, they'll even refund you the amount of any future premium membership that you haven't yet used - you don't have to be locked in for the rest of the year. Constructive feedback on how they can improve their product will help them understand whether they need to price their product more competitively, balanced against the need to cover the costs they are incurring. I agree that some companies are predatory and should be fined and/or regulated, but Chess.com is not one of them.
David is right.
When you go out to eat at an establishment do you dine and ditch or do you pay the bill.Sure you might punish the waitstaff by not tipping but you're still paying the bill. It's up to you if you want to keep going back to the same establishment. If you want free chess play on another site or compete at an actual in person event since you have an impressive rating.
Game is rigged
JankogajdoskoLEGM wrote:
Game is rigged
Why is your name written 3 different ways on your profile? How can one verify your certificates with different written names?
There are a lot of other things that I personally experienced that are bad. From what I know there are way too many cheaters on chess.com which means that they either are lying about the numbers or there are just so many cheaters because they know they will not get banned for a longer time than on lichess.
Your personal experience is not reality. Look up the thread where I've linked several of the interviews that Chess.com CEO Erik Ellebest has given to various outlets this year: one of the things he discusses is that people only feel like they are winning & losing half of their games when they are in fact winning 80% of the games, because their losses stand out so much more prominently in their thinkig than their wins.
And where does lichess even publish their fair play statistics? Google only finds https://lichess.org/forum/general-chess-discussion/fair-play-stats-for-september-26546-fair-play-closures-including-15-titled-players, which is where they're actually discussing Chess.com's fair play stats.