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Evidently I violated the Good Sportsmanship policy for punishing those who refuse to resign.

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22289d

When someone doesn't resign a hopelessly lost position, I like to mess with them by promoting everything (usually to horses) and making a bunch of joke moves before finally delivering checkmate. They are wasting time and dragging out the game by not resigning so I do the same to them.

I don't ever delay games or stall in any other situation. So I have to assume my doing that caused people to report me and made me get the message below. I'm wondering if this is something that is actually against the rules and they would suspend or ban my account for, if I keep doing it.

Dear 22289d

We’ve been receiving reports of stalling and disconnecting in your games. We want to remind you that this does violate our Good Sportsmanship policy.

We would ask you resign or play on in the future in order to make Chess.com a more friendly place to play!

Thank you,
Chess.com Support
[email protected]

perimeter3

1.I think it doesn't take long to checkmate if it's hopeless situation and does not require energy.

2. What's the point-there are probably hundreds of thousands who do that and you can't teach them all

3. some have genuinely good intentions, they want to learn, that is they might have any reasons in doing that. (see blog https://www.chess.com/blog/Marziotta/win-against-a-strong-opponent )

(I don't like those situations either.)

22289d
perimeter3 wrote:

1.I think it doesn't take long to checkmate if it's hopeless situation and does not require energy.

2. What's the point-there are probably hundreds of thousands who do that and you can't teach them all

3. some have genuinely good intentions, they want to learn, that is they might have any reasons in doing that. (see blog https://www.chess.com/blog/Marziotta/win-against-a-strong-opponent )

(I don't like those situations either.)

 

Because it's the way I like to play chess. It's fun to me.

My question is whether it's actually against the rules and I'm going to get banned if I don't stop.

David
22289d wrote:

I don't ever delay games or stall in any other situation.

We only have your word for that. Niemann also claims to have only cheated here on Chess.com when he was 12 and 16 but they’ve sent him their evidence that he’s done so more often than his public statements. 

22289d
David wrote:
22289d wrote:

I don't ever delay games or stall in any other situation.

We only have your word for that. Niemann also claims to have only cheated here on Chess.com when he was 12 and 16 but they’ve sent him their evidence that he’s done so more often than his public statements. 

 

The difference is that he is defending his reputation - while I am asking a question. And I provided the assumptions people can use to answer it. 

If Hans came to the forum and said 'I cheated when I was 12 and 16, do you think Chess.com will give me another chance?' people could answer that question. Whether he told the truth would be irrelevant to their ability to answer the question that was asked.

David

It depends on whether chess.com reviews the games or just looks at the number of times you’ve been reported - it’d be stalling if you’re not making any moves at all (in a clearly lost or clearly won position) but if you’re playing moves you should be fine.

22289d
David wrote:

It depends on whether chess.com reviews the games or just looks at the number of times you’ve been reported - it’d be stalling if you’re not making any moves at all (in a clearly lost or clearly won position) but if you’re playing moves you should be fine.

 

Thank you. The wording of the message I got indicated they just sent that because I've been reported. "We’ve been receiving reports of..."

magipi

Your unsportsmanlike behavior aside, I think the warning is probably not for those instances, but instead for games like this:

https://www.chess.com/game/live/58354239681?username=22289d

22289d
magipi wrote:

Your unsportsmanlike behavior aside, I think the warning is probably not for those instances, but instead for games like this:

https://www.chess.com/game/live/58354239681?username=22289d

 

oh wow, that's not allowed? just quickly resigning for seemingly no reason.

i actually did do that a couple times the other day. not something i normally do. 

ThrillerFan

Chess.com has lazy admins that just use canned messages even when they make no sense at all.

There is nothing illegal about playing 10 knights against a lone king.  Just watch out for stalemate!

 

In terms of people not resigning, I very rarely resign in blitz.  Correspondence or long time controls, sure.  But 1 minute or 3 minute?  Uhm, no!

 

Just yesterday, I had a game where I cannot recall if I had dropped multiple pawns or a minor piece.  I get a mouth full from him bi*ching at me for not resigning.  This of course comes AFTER I had played Bd5 with I think my Queen on g8 and his on I think b7, and my having the dual threat of BxQ and Qxg2 checkmate!  I could be slightly off as I am working off memory.  I was definitely Black that game.

 

At the end, when he had 10 to 20 seconds, he badmouths me.  Why, because you WERE winning and now you're not?  Sucks to be you.  Learn how to play intelligently.

 

I reported him after the game.  So moral of the story is, get cute all you want - nothing illegal about it, but don't badmouth your opponent for not resigning, ESPECIALLY after you are stupid enough to go from won to dead lost!

ThrillerFan

https://www.chess.com/game/live/58316475513

Actually, I confused the Bishop fork with another game.

This was the game.  He premoved when he executed the Rook check, assuming I would interpose with the Queen rather than capture, and went from won to lost.

 

Then he bi*ches about my not resigning and I reported him for calling me things I cannot repeat on here.

 

Point is, it is not my job to resign, and I almost never do in bullet ot blitz - Correspondence I will.  Standard time controls over the board I will.

 

You fail a won position, don't blame it in him for not resigning!

 

I reported him - hope he is muted for a long time!

Ian_Rastall
  1. You can win about a quarter of your hopeless games with a stalemate, if your Elo isn't too high
    1. You have to give away or incapacitate your pieces to do that
    2. You may never get out of the habit once a stalemate isn't likely, i.e. once you reach a good Elo
  2. It's up to your opponent to mate you
    1. If they can't, you deserve the draw
    2. Either way, they learned endgame technique for a reason
RonaldJosephCote

    "Because it's the way I like to play chess. It's fun to me".                                              One man's "fun" is another man's frustration. frustrated

Marziotta

I think you should not report people that do not resign, but should not bother them or ask 20 million times to resign. Like they should not bother you if you decide to take more time than needed to mate.

Everybody play like they want, but should be polite.

Marziotta

But surely nobody would push the thumb up for "was it a good sport" after having a nightmare of a game.

I also think you can always ask chess.com admins to reconsider if you get a ban for bad sportsmanship. Be sure not to call names and it should be fine, I hope.

22289d
Ian_Rastall wrote:
  1. You can win about a quarter of your hopeless games with a stalemate, if your Elo isn't too high
    1. You have to give away or incapacitate your pieces to do that
    2. You may never get out of the habit once a stalemate isn't likely, i.e. once you reach a good Elo
  2. It's up to your opponent to mate you
    1. If they can't, you deserve the draw
    2. Either way, they learned endgame technique for a reason

 

That 25% does not apply to every single situation. For example, if you're playing against me, and I have you in a corner where your only moves are back and forth between two squares. And my king is two squares from your king. And my queen is sitting right there, so all I have to do is deliver the knockout blow and the game is over. And I'm promoting pawns and playing with horsies. That's not a 25% stalemate situation. That's a 0% stalemate situation. Yet they still don't resign. Because they saw on some forum somewhere to never resign. And they have no ability to use their own brain and realize I'm playing with horsies just to make fun of them.

22289d

About 25% of players do resign in that situation. Once they see it's one move to checkmate and I start pushing pawns, they finally resign. 75% watch the horsie show and then get mated.

PopcornSC
ThrillerFan wrote:

https://www.chess.com/game/live/58316475513

Actually, I confused the Bishop fork with another game.

This was the game.  He premoved when he executed the Rook check, assuming I would interpose with the Queen rather than capture, and went from won to lost.

 

Then he bi*ches about my not resigning and I reported him for calling me things I cannot repeat on here.

 

Point is, it is not my job to resign, and I almost never do in bullet ot blitz - Correspondence I will.  Standard time controls over the board I will.

 

You fail a won position, don't blame it in him for not resigning!

 

I reported him - hope he is muted for a long time!

 

While I generally wish people would resign in hopeless positions, this was just bad all around. First, I think it's good sportsmanship to allow an opponent to play out their mate and secondly that was a completely terrible premove.

fscii

"Different people feel differently about resigning." - Bobby Fischer

beanthere

Do I understand this correctly? 

You punish them for wasting your time - by wasting your time promoting everything to knights instead of checkmating them?