It isn’t anybody’s business here to “punish”.
Kudos to the mod for calling down disturbing bad sportsmanship.
Evidently I violated the Good Sportsmanship policy for punishing those who refuse to resign.
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Oct 2, 2022
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#82
Refusing to resign and insisting that the game end by checkmate or stalemate is any player’s prerogative and is not bad sportsmanship, though it’s too purist for me.
It isn’t anybody’s business here to “punish”.
Kudos to the mod for calling down disturbing bad sportsmanship.
It isn’t anybody’s business here to “punish”.
Kudos to the mod for calling down disturbing bad sportsmanship.
promoting many pawns to knights to mess with your opponent when they are in a completely lost position is apt-not bad sportsmanship.
if you think the promotions are poor sportsmanship, i'd tell you that playing on in a total lost position is poor sportsmanship (unless both players' ratings are in the hundreds where there are typically many blunders).
a few weeks ago a player was down to his king (daily game). i asked why he was playing on. he had the b*lls to ask if i knew how to mate. so, i conditional moved him to mate.
on the message from staff, i think many of these are automated and likely are based on the amount of reports, instead of the credibility of them.
which is what cc does now. staff is largely absent on issues unless you write to them directly. the help & support forum is the best example of this. staff should be all over many issues. try to find a response from them there.
You have the right to make silly moves and delay mate just as they have the right to not resign, Personally, both are perfectly fine, you are *not* a jerk for doing this, but they are not a jerk for not resigning either! Two sides of the same coin.
Oct 2, 2022
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#86
22289d wrote:
magipi wrote:
Your unsportsmanlike behavior aside, I think the warning is probably not for those instances, but instead for games like this:
oh wow, that's not allowed? just quickly resigning for seemingly no reason.
i actually did do that a couple times the other day. not something i normally do.
If I were to guess, you either convinced your opponent to agree to a draw or you spammed the draw key multiple times to him until he accepted, for no reason.
Oct 3, 2022
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#87
22289d wrote:
Markzhang1 wrote:
Honestly get 5 queens....
It's funner with knights. It's a subtle jab that many may not realize but those who do it themselves get it. It means this is all I need to beat you. (Or in the case of the horsies, I don't need anything to beat you, you're already dead.)
Like if you have a big battle that comes down to one pawn. Promote it to a rook and beat them, instead of a queen.
What about 7 bishops?
Oct 3, 2022
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#88
22289d wrote:
When someone doesn't resign a hopelessly lost position, I like to mess with them by promoting everything (usually to horses) and making a bunch of joke moves before finally delivering checkmate. They are wasting time and dragging out the game by not resigning so I do the same to them.
I don't ever delay games or stall in any other situation. So I have to assume my doing that caused people to report me and made me get the message below. I'm wondering if this is something that is actually against the rules and they would suspend or ban my account for, if I keep doing it.
Dear 22289d
We’ve been receiving reports of stalling and disconnecting in your games. We want to remind you that this does violate our Good Sportsmanship policy.
We would ask you resign or play on in the future in order to make Chess.com a more friendly place to play!
Thank you,
Chess.com Support
[email protected]
Not resigning in hopes opponent might make a mistake is much more justified than sitting there and promoting horses and stalling out the game in those terms.
I don't think either should violate sportsmanship conduct, but if I had to say what's more disrespectful, not resigning vs stalling the game with useless promotions, I'd have to say the promotion play is worse.
Oct 3, 2022
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#89
22289d wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote
If you feel they are wasting your time how does you wasting time address that?
Because it's fun, it's cathartic, it feels good to mess with them. It's stops being a waste of time and turns into something I enjoy.
You sound really scummy. You are either a troll or genuinely an immature person.
Oct 3, 2022
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#90
It's funny how so many people put the focus on me wasting time by not checkmating fast enough, but not on the people wasting time by not resigning.
Perhaps if someone made a thread about people not checkmating them fast enough, they'd get a similar response. People telling them to just resign.
Oct 3, 2022
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#91
PopcornSC wrote:
ThrillerFan wrote:
https://www.chess.com/game/live/58316475513
Actually, I confused the Bishop fork with another game.
This was the game. He premoved when he executed the Rook check, assuming I would interpose with the Queen rather than capture, and went from won to lost.
Then he bi*ches about my not resigning and I reported him for calling me things I cannot repeat on here.
Point is, it is not my job to resign, and I almost never do in bullet ot blitz - Correspondence I will. Standard time controls over the board I will.
You fail a won position, don't blame it in him for not resigning!
I reported him - hope he is muted for a long time!
While I generally wish people would resign in hopeless positions, this was just bad all around. First, I think it's good sportsmanship to allow an opponent to play out their mate and secondly that was a completely terrible premove.
Oh, of course. I make no claim that this belongs in any kind of showcase thread. I played a terrible game. It was just an example of what can happen in blitz and bullet with how much pre-moving there is.
Another common trick in internet blitz, especially if both sides are scrambling, is to give a check, even if it is a Rook sac, like Ra2xg2+ with a White King on g3. If you have 2.8 seconds and he has 3.2 seconds, it will amaze you how often this wins. Of course, OTB or Correspondence this would never work, hence why I say OTB ratings are what matter, not the garbage ratings you see here. You claim to be 2500 because you have a 2500 chess.com blitz rating? Pfffft! Baloney! I have seen 2500 blitz players with OTB ratings in the 1200s to 1400s! LOL!
So yeah, in blitz and bullet here, show me! Mate me!
Oct 3, 2022
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#92
I would say just be a good sport and play chess as perfectly as possible so your overall average accuracy in chess stays correct (thus looking over could be a valid choice) and why get mad anyway? Tell yourself you're better than that, it's only someone you don't know, I'm not being mean but if it were me, I would just move on. Moral of the story: Focus on chess. Don't focus on your opponents behavior. You could get your account suspended yes, you then could be banned after being suspended and it just gets nasty.....you don't want that stuff. As a great Grandmaster once said: "Don't play your opponent, play the board" In other words (as I'm trying to say) Pretend it's a computer and has no feelings. If this continues to be a problem. Hope this advice helps!
Oct 3, 2022
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#93
alexlehrersh wrote:
calbitt5750 hat geschrieben:
Refusing to resign and insisting that the game end by checkmate or stalemate is any player’s prerogative and is not bad sportsmanship, though it’s too purist for me.
It isn’t anybody’s business here to “punish”.
Kudos to the mod for calling down disturbing bad sportsmanship.
It isn’t anybody’s business here to “punish”.
Kudos to the mod for calling down disturbing bad sportsmanship.
Nope
whe should ban the mods for punishing innocent players
This has turned into a thread about resigning. It wasn't confirmed this is even against the rules and several people have pointed out it probably is not against the rules.
It's also worth noting: I can't recall one opponent who has ever complained about this in chat to me. They don't seem to really mind it.
22289d wrote:
We also don't know what game was flagged for un-sportsman-like behaviour... I think you made an assumption. And based on the comments you shared... you have resigned repeatedly and quickly... this is explicitly called out as unsportsmanlike.
I think you also need to play opponents more suitable to your level if you're "crushing" them so badly that you feel the need to underpromote pawns and delay checkmates. As a previous commenter said... you are delaying the game by not checkmating... and your opponent is delaying the game by not resigning.
Oct 3, 2022
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#95
alexlehrersh wrote:
ThrillerFan hat geschrieben:
PopcornSC wrote:
ThrillerFan wrote:
https://www.chess.com/game/live/58316475513
Actually, I confused the Bishop fork with another game.
This was the game. He premoved when he executed the Rook check, assuming I would interpose with the Queen rather than capture, and went from won to lost.
Then he bi*ches about my not resigning and I reported him for calling me things I cannot repeat on here.
Point is, it is not my job to resign, and I almost never do in bullet ot blitz - Correspondence I will. Standard time controls over the board I will.
You fail a won position, don't blame it in him for not resigning!
I reported him - hope he is muted for a long time!
While I generally wish people would resign in hopeless positions, this was just bad all around. First, I think it's good sportsmanship to allow an opponent to play out their mate and secondly that was a completely terrible premove.
Oh, of course. I make no claim that this belongs in any kind of showcase thread. I played a terrible game. It was just an example of what can happen in blitz and bullet with how much pre-moving there is.
Another common trick in internet blitz, especially if both sides are scrambling, is to give a check, even if it is a Rook sac, like Ra2xg2+ with a White King on g3. If you have 2.8 seconds and he has 3.2 seconds, it will amaze you how often this wins. Of course, OTB or Correspondence this would never work, hence why I say OTB ratings are what matter, not the garbage ratings you see here. You claim to be 2500 because you have a 2500 chess.com blitz rating? Pfffft! Baloney! I have seen 2500 blitz players with OTB ratings in the 1200s to 1400s! LOL!
So yeah, in blitz and bullet here, show me! Mate me!
Then you cannot complain when the other player underpromotes or go for a special mate
I don't complain! I hope he does it and then proceeds to run out of time or stalemate his 5 knights vs king, both of which would give me a draw.
Oct 3, 2022
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#96
https://www.chess.com/game/live/58540858613
In fact, literally just played the blitz game above, stupidly hung a knight early, and still proceeded to mate him! So anybody that whines and complains about people not resigning when down a piece in blitz first need to learn how to win a piece up! LOL!
Again, at my level over the board (expert), nobody is going to lose up a piece for nothing, but it is amazing what blitz does to you!
Oct 3, 2022
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#97
22289d wrote:
alexlehrersh wrote:
calbitt5750 hat geschrieben:
Refusing to resign and insisting that the game end by checkmate or stalemate is any player’s prerogative and is not bad sportsmanship, though it’s too purist for me.
It isn’t anybody’s business here to “punish”.
Kudos to the mod for calling down disturbing bad sportsmanship.
It isn’t anybody’s business here to “punish”.
Kudos to the mod for calling down disturbing bad sportsmanship.
Nope
whe should ban the mods for punishing innocent players
This has turned into a thread about resigning. It wasn't confirmed this is even against the rules and several people have pointed out it probably is not against the rules.
It's also worth noting: I can't recall one opponent who has ever complained about this in chat to me. They don't seem to really mind it.
I see it a lot, people calling for resignation by me, and then even proceed to lose every now and then!
Oct 3, 2022
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#98
chesspep1 wrote
I think you also need to play opponents more suitable to your level if you're "crushing" them so badly that you feel the need to underpromote pawns and delay checkmates.
lol it doesn't happen every game. i get crushed often too.
Oct 3, 2022
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#99
I never resign, even when being ripped a new one.
You'd be amazed at how many stalemates I've got with this tactic.
Oct 3, 2022
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#100
Bill-Hicks wrote:
I never resign, even when being ripped a new one.
You'd be amazed at how many stalemates I've got with this tactic.
The tactic works but there are situations where it's not working and you either don't realize it or don't care to refine your strategy and be more efficient.
For example:
This is never going to be a stalemate, if your opponent deliberately set this up by walking your king over there. They know how to checkmate with two queens and that's what they are about to do.
I've been an arbiter at a lot of scholastic tournaments and on the weaker boards a general rule of thumb is K+Q vs K is a draw half the time and K+Q+Q vs K is a draw 90% of the time (much higher chance to stalemate).
At my current ~1900 rating level I will play on against others until there are no more tricks, traps, complications or swindles left. I've drawn or won a significant minority of lost games.
As far as the types of games you've cited go, those I will resign. As an arbiter I've seen a number of high school team competitions (fixed board teams similar to the US Amateur Team or the Olympiad) and there can be some brutal mismatches on board one is some matches. When a player refuses to resign the opponent will sometimes start (safely) promoting knight after knight. The weaker player's coach will sometimes come up to me with a complaint about how the opponent is being cruel by prolonging the agony and a standard response from many stronger arbiters is that the agony can be ended immediately by resigning so it is not merely the opponent that is prolonging it (interestingly enough, it is generally the coach that complains, not the player).
At larger tournaments there are more arbiters required and sometimes the less experienced arbiters will want to take action against the knight promoter (this can also happen at smaller tournaments where the chief arbiter is not the most experienced). In a tournament it is generally a safer option to play the quick mate and not risk having an arbiter decide to penalize you for unsportsmanlike conduct.
Wouldnt punsihing the knight promoter being fraud to him and couldnt you sue the arbiter or at least the torunament?
I did say a less experienced arbiter. For that matter, any arbiter who really wanted to rule the game a draw would likely take refuge in FIDE Laws of Chess 10.2.a/10.2.b (if the king-only player is under two minutes) and say that the underpromoter is not trying to win by normal means.
PS Anybody can sue. Proceeding with a lawsuit is expensive and winning a lawsuit is when specific rules support the one being sued. For that matter, in some jurisdictions there can be sanctions against a lawyer filing a clearly frivolous lawsuit, and in some jurisdictions the filer of a frivolous lawsuit is required to pay the defender's legal costs.