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David
Grievious wrote:
David wrote:
Grievious wrote:
David wrote:
Grievious wrote:

They need bots because many "people" left the site long ago due to the fact they do little to almost nothing about cheaters.  Oh now we have to go the sketch "cheat forum" to discuss anything related to that.  There are people here still, but definitely not as many as they say.  Also, it's not hard to load up a bunch of javascript bots playing stockfish at a reduced elo strength.  It only takes a few lines of code to make it.  Then a random name generator, with a random country.  They do this in video games all the time tossing bots into multiplayer games.  Idk why people on this site think that is such a hard and tedious thing to do.  They obviously don't know anything about computers and it shows. 

Oh, please, not this again: you're conflating cheating by people with bots, which is bad enough. Chess.com does plenty to fight cheating, which FIDE endorses, and which the Cheating forum is clear on - maybe that's not banning everyone you lose to, but that's not because they're bots or using an engine.

Oh yeah that's right.  I suck at chess, and that is why I lose games.  My moves are obvious, and it makes sense that 20 or so people I reported who played with 99% accuracy in difficult closed positions found the only right move in a complicated position each and every single time in the middle game all while taking 5 seconds per move from opening to obvious captures, to the endgame.  Thanks for showing me that kind of activity is completely and totally human, and I am just a paranoid conspiracy theorist.  

You've reported them to Chess.com using the specified channels, yes? Then Chess.com will close the ones that are cheating and the ones that aren't will be left alone. The ones that they need more evidence will also be left alone, for the time being. You'll get a notification if such an account is closed. If nothing happens in what you feel is an obvious case, let the Cheating forum know - they'll tell you whether it's really obvious or - perhaps just a little more likely - you are imagining cheating where there is none. That happens to be the same characteristic of "paranoid conspiracy theorists", but that doesn't mean you are one. Are you?

No they won't.  They won't close them.  The site is not perfect.  The people who run it are not Gods.  That report button is just a pacifier.  You have to be one smooth brained person to believe that no cheating or botting is going on here.  It happens in every game, in every sport, in every country, all over the world, yet you want me to believe that this is the only place on the planet where this does not happen?  Ha! 

Where did I say this isn't happening?!? Of course it happens - the key thing is the speed and efficiency with which Chess.com detects it and actions it. The Cheating forum experts will tell you that they've stopped reporting obvious cases to Chess.com any more, because the automated systems are now so quick and efficient that these experts are confident that those type of cheaters will be banned very soon.

The Report button adds the person you're reporting the the Fair Play report that is being refreshed and generated constantly. Obvious cheaters get auto banned. Everyone else gets prioritised according to likelihood of cheating for human review. Multiple reports will send that person closer to the top of the queue. The fair play team reviews the report and makes a determination. It is not ignored. It is not in the site's interest to ignore it. It is in the site's interest to demonstrate how good its systems are, which it has done to FIDE and to various people who have signed NDAs, and empirically to the Cheating forum experts. There are interviews where Gerard Le-Marechal (@monitor), the head of Chess.com Fair Play team, gives insight into the process. Learn about it. Don't assume.

ninjaswat
CooloutAC wrote:
ninjaswat wrote:

Haha I have over 6,700 games on here. It's currently summer so I'm doing other things but my account is in the diamond league currently.

That means I PLAY quite a bit more than many other people... And when every rapid game is draining I'm not going to be doing multiple in a row...

I have over 30,000 posts on here. I can say I'm more active than YOU are lol...

 

oh come on,  just stop.  2500 games in 3 years?  maybe you will become active again.  right now I don't consider you so.  and am I surprised though?  nope.

2500 blitz games? OH NO THE HORROR, I actually put effort into these so I don't play for hours a day???

PawnTsunami
ninjaswat wrote:

2500 blitz games? OH NO THE HORROR, I actually put effort into these so I don't play for hours a day???

Everyone knows that if you are looking to improve you must play at least 10,000 blitz and 20,000 bullet games each day! 😉

mpaetz

     Hello again, surprised to see my name mentioned so often when I'm not even saying anything here. A few observations:

     Someone here can't even count. The MattMah account has twice as many games played as Big Blowhard rails about. Perhaps there is some sort of vision problem that accounts for the many things he fails to see.

     Yes, ratings make a difference in the reasons people resign. When stronger players get into known losing positions vs other strong players, they know their opponent will be able to cash in so, unless severe time trouble is looming, a gracious resignation is perfectly reasonable.

     There are a lot of young people on this site. School years finishing up in late May/early June with term papers and/or final project deadlines, final exams, unfinished work needing to be turned in before the deadline, etc., may account for some accounts being less active at that time.

     I logged on today to use the opening database and the analysis function to look over the USCF-rated otb clasical game I played last night, something I do thrice/week. That's the reason I have a membership here. That's the kind of chess I like to play. During the pandemic I had a lot of free time and checked out the forums feature, and I still look in when on the site.

     I find Mr. Cool's disparagement of everyone not playing online blitz, saying we don't have any right to talk about something in which we do not participate particularly laughable in light of his innumerable put-downs of otb classical games and players while admitting to having never played in such events himself. 

bramjam55

I think there's a delicious irony in the fact that on-line chess sites use engines, bots and algorithms to detect players using engines, bots and algorithms.

 

FoxWithNekoEars
Uživatel bramjam55 napsal:

I think there's a delicious irony in the fact that on-line chess sites use engines, bots and algorithms to detect players using engines, bots and algorithms.

 

Well thats the same as being surprised that police use guns when criminals use them too...

David
CooloutAC wrote:

ya,  coincidentally the first person in each list.  Thats how easy it was, and I'm sorry it made you look so foolish in public.   I'm supposed to start working for you and let you waste my time checking every single name?  You're lucky i just looked at the first names in both your lists.    But ya keep ignoring all the names in this forum thread as well.  

LOL Checking EVERYTHING is what you demand of your opponents. And we've actually done that and disproved every single one of your arguments -  saying that they don't helps you maintain your delusion, which is why you say that about us :-) Anyone can look and read through the thread and see how completely you've been demolished and how desperately you've tried to switch from one argument to another and just ignore the facts. You got owned, kid evil

YChess

Really? Sometimes it may just be your opponent...yesterday someone chat with me and I mis-clicked and clicked deny chat oops

David
CooloutAC wrote:
David wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:

ya,  coincidentally the first person in each list.  Thats how easy it was, and I'm sorry it made you look so foolish in public.   I'm supposed to start working for you and let you waste my time checking every single name?  You're lucky i just looked at the first names in both your lists.    But ya keep ignoring all the names in this forum thread as well.  

LOL Checking EVERYTHING is what you demand of your opponents. And we've actually done that and disproved every single one of your arguments -  saying that they don't helps you maintain your delusion, which is why you say that about us :-) Anyone can look and read through the thread and see how completely you've been demolished and how desperately you've tried to switch from one argument to another and just ignore the facts. You got owned, kid


I demand what from my opponents?  Care to explain what the heck you are talking about?   What you did was post an inactive account at the top of both your lists.   And your second "tournament" list exposes the fact the problem is worse then I even imagined.    Do you not realize that?  lol...

You make sweeping generalisations that people present actual data to refute. You change the thing you're saying to try and distract people from the fact that you've lost your first argument.

You were saying that it's rare for an active account to be more than 1 or 2 years old. The lists I posted demonstrate that it's not rare at all. I fully expect that you did look at the rest of the list, say that it didn't support your premise, and then claimed to stop at the first. Either that or you're just lazy, which I suppose is also a strong possibility.

Now you're claiming that it's a problem that new members can join a tournament after only playing a few games, when encouraging people to play chess is the whole point here. You want to raise barriers to make harder for people to just play the game; Chess.com is trying to attract new people to the game. Yes, that makes it easier for cheaters to create accounts and cheat. But it's not like Chess.com just lets them  run wild: they've invested heaps in cheat detection to identify and ban those people as quickly and efficiently as possible. Sure, it's not instant but it's not more than a few days for the obvious ones.

David
CooloutAC wrote:

This is why you see all the negative perceptions about the site posted in this thread my friend.  Again,  You are in denial.

LOL 90% of the "negative perceptions" are from you only with exactly zero people agreeing with you, so we all know how worthwhile that is.

Yes, I'm in denial that Chess.com is continuining to grow and employ more people and becoming an even better site than it has been before. After all, the people who hate the site are leaving in droves and definitely not still engaging with it by posting in the forums. Constantly posting in the forums. evil Not truthful or quality content, but even lower than the usual 1 word dreck, which is actually really saying something...

MaximusHongTu
B1ZMARK wrote:

How do you guys even know that they are "bot" accounts? 

You dont 

 

Coyotechesscoach

Oh yea thier are definitely bots... And for those who don't believe it.... Keep living your mind might change 

sndeww
Coyotechesscoach wrote:

Oh yea thier are definitely bots... 

reasoning?

Coyotechesscoach

Anything free is .... Well free for a reason 

Coyotechesscoach

No need for a reason... You either know or you don't 

sndeww
Coyotechesscoach wrote:

No need for a reason... 

Alright.

Martin_Stahl
Coyotechesscoach wrote:

Oh yea thier are definitely bots... And for those who don't believe it.... Keep living your mind might change 

 

The CEO has stated there are no site bots in the random pools. There's no reason to have any, though if someone believes there are, there's nothing anyone can do or say to prove it to them.

meh

abcx123

I'm playing myself

( stupid me )

David

And they get banned within a few days. Doesn't change the tournament result, unfortunately, but the only way to prevent it altogether is to impose some sort of up front cost, which is going to raise the barrier to entry for real people too. Maybe if you had more tournaments for people in higher leagues or for premium only players.

ComradeKetchup101
Nah I often have the charts off my life right n here on chess.com!
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