I've seen longer. Overall, it is very good and fair.
Making the Chess.com Forums Better
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Mar 6, 2014
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#23
TheGrobe wrote:
Would this work, though, the way the quote functionality works here? Facebook's structure of updates and responses is much different than chess.com's forums. You'd end up seeing one-sided discussions and would probably see much of the content you were trying to suppress anyway as quoted content.
The idea has merit, but I don't think it's quite that simple. Also, even if chess.com got it working well, it's still subject to being end-run by sock-puppet accounts which remain of the biggest issues plaguing these forums.
Yes, the problem is the anonimity and fake accounts. To fight this, an idea would be to limit the # of posts according to your seniority on chess.com
For example, a new member would be limited to one post every 30 days and a 10-year-old member to 30 posts a day.
Admins would have the ability to move the cursor for individual accounts and titled players would be granted special posting privileges.
I think it would avoid a lot of trolling and promote long-term thinking and planning before posting. Not a bad skill to develop for chess players 
I don't believe in self-regulated forums, no more than I believe in self-regulation when it comes to engine use.
I just want to say thank you for chess.com Erik. It allows me to keep in touch and meet people I wouldn't otherwise have the chance to do. I also don't do other social media, yet, this is it for me. And although bullet/ blitz chess is the biggest time waster ever, I love playing them and online chess and they fill a space in my life and I don't think I would have gotten back into chess if not for this site.
As for the forums, you can't please all the people all the time but your valiant effort is appreciated. I look at it this way, it's like any other media, tv radio or whatever, if you don't like it don't watch listen read it. People have free will to click away if they're offended and a whole LOT of people get offended easily and in my opinion on purpose just to get attention and make a stink. Abuse and name calling are another level all together but I think you have a handle on that though. Thanks again for all your hard work.
Ps I did read the whole post, its not that long and off-topic is my favorite.
hicetnunc wrote:.........
Yes, the problem is the anonimity and fake accounts. To fight this, an idea would be to limit the # of posts according to your seniority on chess.com....
do you mean limit actual replies to topics, or starting new topics?
It would have to be both, no? I'm not sure seniority is the right measure, but there's something to the idea.
rooperi wrote:
hicetnunc wrote:.........
Yes, the problem is the anonimity and fake accounts. To fight this, an idea would be to limit the # of posts according to your seniority on chess.com....
do you mean limit actual replies to topics, or starting new topics?
On another board they almost eliminated trolling by requiring at lease 25 posts (replies) before you can create a new thread.
That sounds like it would encourage spamming/flooding.
Its just that a new member might have some legit questions, and sometimes may be require to respond to something. I suppose the rule could be waived for Help & Support
ajttja wrote:
Wow, amazing speech there Erik. Unlike other people who take the TL;DR aproch I read the whole thing because i saw that what you said was important and worth reading. Of course to every long piece that someone writes there are some parts that need improving and comments. This is what I have to say.
I speak for trolling, I don't know if all trolls think the way I do but this is what i have to say for the chess.com community. Some trolling is bad and offensive as are some types of trolling like spamming (just posting meaningless stuff over and over again) but the right type of trolls are benificial to the chess.com comunity. Imagine a chess.com without the type of trolls that i am mentioning. There would no longer be times when they are not appreciated but there would also be no one to troll the mean people to death. They would hount chess.com with no one with the gut or the right words to take them down. Also chess can sometimes get a little dull after talking about it for hours and we start to wish that there is someone to say something that can lighten up our mood. It doesn't have to be very funny, just something that lifts some of the weight of our shoulders. Sometimes no one recognizes it and trolls still remain hated, but that uncousious post that isn't a serious chess anaylisis or commentary makes us more happy and glad that there is a chess.com comunity to keep our spirits up. I am not much for speeches but this is what i have to say for trolling.
Ajttja
To be fair, a troll isn't a troll isn't a troll. There are different levels of trolling. For example, the thread asking about how to teach chess to his 1-month-old kid and turn him into a GrandMaster. That is clever and much needed comic relief.
Another kind of troll is someone whose purpose on the forum is to completely ruin discussion and mess with other people at any opportunity. Sometimes these people are just lost in their own world of misery, and want to bring others down with them -- or occasionally, it's one of the "want to watch the world burn" types. These are the types of trolls that are a problem. They bring people down and crush the sense of discussion and community on the forums. These trolls should be moderated and limited -- or, ghasp -- muted, suspended, or banned. It's certainly not "fair" or "conducive to free speech" when one person is juggling knives blindfolded down a large public sidewalk, and sometimes throwing those knives at other people. If that person is allowed free reign, then most people will stop walking down that public sidewalk.
DrCheckevertim wrote:
ajttja wrote:
Wow, amazing speech there Erik. Unlike other people who take the TL;DR aproch I read the whole thing because i saw that what you said was important and worth reading. Of course to every long piece that someone writes there are some parts that need improving and comments. This is what I have to say.
I speak for trolling, I don't know if all trolls think the way I do but this is what i have to say for the chess.com community. Some trolling is bad and offensive as are some types of trolling like spamming (just posting meaningless stuff over and over again) but the right type of trolls are benificial to the chess.com comunity. Imagine a chess.com without the type of trolls that i am mentioning. There would no longer be times when they are not appreciated but there would also be no one to troll the mean people to death. They would hount chess.com with no one with the gut or the right words to take them down. Also chess can sometimes get a little dull after talking about it for hours and we start to wish that there is someone to say something that can lighten up our mood. It doesn't have to be very funny, just something that lifts some of the weight of our shoulders. Sometimes no one recognizes it and trolls still remain hated, but that uncousious post that isn't a serious chess anaylisis or commentary makes us more happy and glad that there is a chess.com comunity to keep our spirits up. I am not much for speeches but this is what i have to say for trolling.
Ajttja
To be fair, a troll isn't a troll isn't a troll. There are different levels of trolling. For example, the thread asking about how to teach chess to his 1-month-old kid and turn him into a GrandMaster. That is clever and much needed comic relief.
Another kind of troll is someone whose purpose on the forum is to completely ruin discussion and mess with other people at any opportunity. Sometimes these people are just lost in their own world of misery, and want to bring others down with them -- or occasionally, it's one of the "want to watch the world burn" types. These are the types of trolls that are a problem. They bring people down and crush the sense of discussion and community on the forums. These trolls should be moderated and limited -- or, ghasp -- muted, suspended, or banned. It's certainly not "fair" or "conducive to free speech" when one person is juggling knives blindfolded down a large public sidewalk, and sometimes throwing those knives at other people.
+1, first part
DrCheckevertim wrote:
ajttja wrote:
Wow, amazing speech there Erik. Unlike other people who take the TL;DR aproch I read the whole thing because i saw that what you said was important and worth reading. Of course to every long piece that someone writes there are some parts that need improving and comments. This is what I have to say.
I speak for trolling, I don't know if all trolls think the way I do but this is what i have to say for the chess.com community. Some trolling is bad and offensive as are some types of trolling like spamming (just posting meaningless stuff over and over again) but the right type of trolls are benificial to the chess.com comunity. Imagine a chess.com without the type of trolls that i am mentioning. There would no longer be times when they are not appreciated but there would also be no one to troll the mean people to death. They would hount chess.com with no one with the gut or the right words to take them down. Also chess can sometimes get a little dull after talking about it for hours and we start to wish that there is someone to say something that can lighten up our mood. It doesn't have to be very funny, just something that lifts some of the weight of our shoulders. Sometimes no one recognizes it and trolls still remain hated, but that uncousious post that isn't a serious chess anaylisis or commentary makes us more happy and glad that there is a chess.com comunity to keep our spirits up. I am not much for speeches but this is what i have to say for trolling.
Ajttja
To be fair, a troll isn't a troll isn't a troll. There are different levels of trolling. For example, the thread asking about how to teach chess to his 1-month-old kid and turn him into a GrandMaster. That is clever and much needed comic relief.
Another kind of troll is someone whose purpose on the forum is to completely ruin discussion and mess with other people at any opportunity. Sometimes these people are just lost in their own world of misery, and want to bring others down with them -- or occasionally, it's one of the "want to watch the world burn" types. These are the types of trolls that are a problem. They bring people down and crush the sense of discussion and community on the forums. These trolls should be moderated and limited -- or, ghasp -- muted, suspended, or banned. It's certainly not "fair" or "conducive to free speech" when one person is juggling knives blindfolded down a large public sidewalk, and sometimes throwing those knives at other people. If that person is allowed free reign, then most people will stop walking down that public sidewalk.
I am not sure I see your point. You were just trying to make a larger gap between different kinds of trolls. There were still a few things you are missing. There aren't different levels of trolling. Yes there are different kinds of it like spamming, a lower class for the stupid (i won't offend anyone since there are unwanted). What differs between trolls are intent. Some troll to bully people, some troll to put their jokes in a way that they get attention, some troll to be famous, and some, like me, troll to let the good people be in a good mood and the make the bad people get trolled to death (when they leave the forums and leave everyone alone) As for your sollution to the bad trolls, that is terrible. Muting them is not a good option, what you need to do is show them that they do not rule or they will either come back or be martirs and inspire other mad trolls. Daeth got banned but his legacy still lives. What is needed is the troll them and not respond to them, do not close any forums that they post in and do not lock them. People like me will kill them, like using a cat to get rid of the mice instead of closing the holes in the wall where the go into the house.
Ajttja
chessdex wrote:
DrCheckevertim wrote:
ajttja wrote:
Wow, amazing speech there Erik. Unlike other people who take the TL;DR aproch I read the whole thing because i saw that what you said was important and worth reading. Of course to every long piece that someone writes there are some parts that need improving and comments. This is what I have to say.
I speak for trolling, I don't know if all trolls think the way I do but this is what i have to say for the chess.com community. Some trolling is bad and offensive as are some types of trolling like spamming (just posting meaningless stuff over and over again) but the right type of trolls are benificial to the chess.com comunity. Imagine a chess.com without the type of trolls that i am mentioning. There would no longer be times when they are not appreciated but there would also be no one to troll the mean people to death. They would hount chess.com with no one with the gut or the right words to take them down. Also chess can sometimes get a little dull after talking about it for hours and we start to wish that there is someone to say something that can lighten up our mood. It doesn't have to be very funny, just something that lifts some of the weight of our shoulders. Sometimes no one recognizes it and trolls still remain hated, but that uncousious post that isn't a serious chess anaylisis or commentary makes us more happy and glad that there is a chess.com comunity to keep our spirits up. I am not much for speeches but this is what i have to say for trolling.
Ajttja
To be fair, a troll isn't a troll isn't a troll. There are different levels of trolling. For example, the thread asking about how to teach chess to his 1-month-old kid and turn him into a GrandMaster. That is clever and much needed comic relief.
Another kind of troll is someone whose purpose on the forum is to completely ruin discussion and mess with other people at any opportunity. Sometimes these people are just lost in their own world of misery, and want to bring others down with them -- or occasionally, it's one of the "want to watch the world burn" types. These are the types of trolls that are a problem. They bring people down and crush the sense of discussion and community on the forums. These trolls should be moderated and limited -- or, ghasp -- muted, suspended, or banned. It's certainly not "fair" or "conducive to free speech" when one person is juggling knives blindfolded down a large public sidewalk, and sometimes throwing those knives at other people.
+1
congrats on writing the shortest post on this thread. Writing something that is not deep or philosophical in a thread that requires that. At least expand a little on what your are saying and talk a little about what your are "+1ing"
Mar 6, 2014
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#34
i have always found erik to be a pretty fair and understanding (and really buff--lulz on the exercise site) guy, but i don't understand what has changed. people just like to hear from their leader?
Mar 6, 2014
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#35
rooperi wrote:
hicetnunc wrote:.........
Yes, the problem is the anonimity and fake accounts. To fight this, an idea would be to limit the # of posts according to your seniority on chess.com....
do you mean limit actual replies to topics, or starting new topics?
Yes, both should be limited in some way to fight abuse I think.
ilikeflags wrote:
i have always found erik to be a pretty fair and understanding (and really buff--lulz on the exercise site) guy, but i don't understand what has changed. people just like to hear from their leader?
Where's William Jennings Bryan when you need him?
Or Frank Chance?
Mar 6, 2014
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#37
TheGrobe wrote:
It would have to be both, no? I'm not sure seniority is the right measure, but there's something to the idea.
The advantage with using seniority is that it's a strong disincentive to people who come only to troll.
If someone new appears to be posting interesting stuff, there could be a reporting system (I'd rather report good posters than cheaters if you ask me) and chess.com could expand their posting rights.
Mar 6, 2014
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#38
longer doesn't mean better. seriously, what's better? do you guys think erik is asking for your input? did i miss that part? i easily could've missed that part -- the post was grotesquely long.
Mar 6, 2014
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#39
Mitch_Schwartzen wrote:
Commercial sites want to encourage as much posting as possible. Internal site activity such as posting is "interlinking" which directly influences the algorythims used by search engines which pushes the site higher on search engine queries.
This is very important in the wider scheme of things.
Well, then I guess it's okay to keep the current level of crap in the public forums as it is 
Amazingly long.