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cidiel

Any thoughts on 2 rooks vs. Rook, Bishop, Knight? Β seems like you only can keep the advantage so long as you keep the 2 rooks?

Scottrf

Rook bishop and knight would be a decent advantage in most positions I imagine, probably drawn as a pure endgame?

cidiel

really! ok, thought the 2 rooks would have the distinct advantage b/c of their relative mobility/ability to work together

venkatachengalvala

The rook, knight, and bishop is much better (likely winning) over the two rooks and is usually better than two rooks and a pawn. If the rook, knight, and bishop are active, they can attack and mate the enemy king. It's harder for two rooks to do so (though ladder mates exist).

llamonade2
cidiel wrote:

really! ok, thought the 2 rooks would have the distinct advantage b/c of their relative mobility/ability to work together

I know this is 8 years old, but it's always bewildering to me that people can't add.

3+3 vs 5?

"Oh jeez, wow, I thought 5 was greater than 6. Herp derp derp."

Asparagusic_acids

this position is a draw.

https://syzygy-tables.info/?fen=4k3/4r3/4n3/8/8/3R4/3R4/b1K5_b_-_-_0_1

llamonade2

Oh good, thatΒ exact position is a draw. Thanks so much.

Only 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

more positions to go.

bsrti

If position is not locked, it is actually win.
If position is locked, it is still win, but usually it is hard to win but not draw.

21beatles
llamonade2 wrote:
cidiel wrote:

really! ok, thought the 2 rooks would have the distinct advantage b/c of their relative mobility/ability to work together

I know this is 8 years old, but it's always bewildering to me that people can't add.

3+3 vs 5?

"Oh jeez, wow, I thought 5 was greater than 6. Herp derp derp."

Position matters quite a bit. The point value of pieces doesn't inherently determine which is better. A rook, knight, and pawn are slightly worse than an active queen, who can move across the board and deliver a lot of pressure if the opponents knight and rook aren't se. If coordinated, however, the power of the piece duo can definitely winΒ 

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AlexTheDad29
So much anger and sarcasm in this thread.
21beatles
AlexTheDad29 wrote:
So much anger and sarcasm in this thread.

Yeah that's why I tried to be respectful and tactical. I don't know why people are so rude about a simple discussion about chess. It just doesn't make any sense to me. Like do you really think you're all that cool andb

wakuvvaku

I remember listening to a chess legend (maybe Garry?) say computer thinks bishop is worth like 3.3 and knight a 3.1-3.2 so combined they are quite a bit stronger than a rook.

OlejanXL

genius

Nedyarbgodmode

Id say on that position, I'm gonna have to go with the rook bishop and knight since there are more pieces than the 2 rooks