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LogoCzar
 
There is a pawn race and I need help analyzing the computer is not much help

Start at the starting position but the critical idea is black to get his king to c4 and it seems winning - if played right. 
Super complicated and hard to analyze, but please help!
LogoCzar

I think I misevaluated... I see winning resources for white and black should play differently to draw...

I am not really sure.

I'll come back to reconsider tomorrow.

LogoCzar

FYI at the ending we were both in time pressure, he was in <5m so we could not really calculate much

jo_pac

its white move so chances for white to win is there.

black is looking for a draw.

takenote, the isolated pawn of black in e4 is in trouble.

That requires tempo.

PeaceSacrifice
Well played, Logozar. White played good in that endgame and secured the draw. White cannot reach the e4 pawn ever in this endgame due to the pawn  waiting moves that black possesses. . .Seems like a standard promoting race w/ perpetual checks from the queens. There aren't any minor flaws by white. Keep it up.
jo_pac

in 47. Qb6? the best is 47. Qf8+ to take the h7 pawn.

47. Qa7 is also better. but What I want is complicate the situation and secure the h4 pawn. :)

aalv
1NaturalDisaster wrote:

On April 26th, you need to go for that draw instead of the loss. Hopefully your time machine will serve you well!

LOL my thoughts exactly, the tournament was on April 9th

CP6033
HueyWilliams wrote:

Very difficult ending!  As played you could've picked off his remaining pawn with 47 Qa7+.  And in fact--had you played 42 a4 earlier instead--you would've retained some winning chances with your b4-pawn.

Yes-Ka4 was a grave error. Much better would've been a4 Kxg3 a5 Kh3 (not Kf2? which makes it unessisarily complicated and maybe loses) a6 g3 a7 g2 a8=Q g1=Q and you simply can lose. Again as HueyWiliams mentioned Qa7+ took out the h7 pawn, and would've led to the comfortable side of a draw.

LogoCzar
1NaturalDisaster wrote:

Nice game, sad that you threw it out the window :(

I won actually. 

What was played in the game was not g4, he lost.

This is quick analysis last night...

LogoCzar

30...h5 was played in the game.

This was just a quick line to illistrate the line I was thinking of, at least the idea to analyze.

Thanks!

LogoCzar

Whoops... april 26?

Sorry, my mistake. That is my birthday, accidentilly put it instead.

CP6033

He played h5??? Well that game must've been anti-climatic! You're right, g4 was critical. I think white may have some chances to will still though after g4.

LogoCzar
CP6033 wrote:

He played h5??? Well that game must've been anti-climatic! You're right, g4 was critical. I think white may have some chances to will still though after g4.

I wouldn't say anti-climatic for the whole game, though  the ending was.

He had something like 3 minutes at move 30.

I think chances to win in the race, but if Black does not race to c4 then it should be an easy draw.

LogoCzar
1NaturalDisaster wrote:
logozar wrote:

Whoops... april 26?

Sorry, my mistake. That is my birthday, accidentilly put it instead.

You're not going to fix it?!

I'll fix it immidiately.

aalv

Why not 42.a4 leading to a draw or win for you. probably draw.

LogoCzar
1NaturalDisaster wrote:

Dude, that was fast. It takes me about 20 minutes to fix stuff like that.

I copy and pasted the PGN and made a new diagram to replace it, simply replaced the date.

LogoCzar
aalv wrote:

Why not 42.a4 leading to a draw or win for you. probably draw.

Any of this analysis was simply a sample line I came up with last night. Blitzed out - but getting to the queen ending was carefully thought out. OTB, I probably would.

 

I will analyze otb later and post more analysis - without a rush.

LogoCzar

So for analysis, this is the main starting positions:

 



LogoCzar

The idea in the first page is an idea, but not a concrete line. There are likely improvements.

LogoCzar
alex-rodriguez wrote:

"There is a pawn race and I need help analyzing the computer is not much help"

This will work properly for you: http://bit.ly/229XtCo

I analyzed with lichess - I had to lead it in the direction of Kc4 which it changed its evaluation.

So I am using it to double check, but not more yet. I want to learn without a computer first.