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admiral_stapler

Many beginners can do the QK vs K

A Novice can do KR vs K

Experienced players breeze through the KBB vs K

Masters know by heart the KNB vs K

Together, these make up the four basic checkmates, but long forgotten is their brother, the ugly duckling... THE THREE KNIGHT CHECKMATE

 
White to move and mate in god knows how many. Less than 50 though
 
AT LAST THIS LONG FORGOTTEN MATING NET EMERGES FROM THE SHADOWS, WITH A STARLING NEW TECHNIQUE INVENTED BY ME WHILE EATING A SANDWICH. ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL FOR basically nobody. Well there's an afternoon wasted.
 
Also, totally promoting to knight and gunning for this if I ever get the chance OTB.
bunicula

this probably means W underpromoted a pawn to a N - hope there was a good reason for that.

Murgen

Hehehe! It probably means at least onePawn was underpromoted! Laughing

I don't know how many moves the above position should take... but Three Knights shouldn't take more than twenty moves (not saying I can do it that quickly).

And the most likely reason for underpromoting is to have a crack/improve at an interesting checkmate! Smile

peepchuy

It is easier than KBN vs K. Not really practical, but still quite amusing.

admiral_stapler
peepchuy wrote:

It is easier than KBN vs K. Not really practical, but still quite amusing.

 Definitely agree, though i've always been able to do KBN vs K without too much effort. Weirdly, KBB vs K is harder for me than KBN vs K

Benlloyd
This and KNB are the best ways to improve your knight play. I’ve always found the knight the hardest piece to progress with.
You’ll improve your game more quickly with KNB and K3N than any other puzzle.
Arisktotle

The 3 knight win is about the easiest in chess. And you'll probably never face it in your life. Don't waste your time on it. Rather work on Q vs R!

MARattigan
admiral_stapler wrote:

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White to move and mate in god knows how many. Less than 50 though
 
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14

MARattigan
Arisktotle wrote:

The 3 knight win is about the easiest in chess.

Very easy to win ("about the easiest in chess" might be considered hyperbolic - it has deeper mates than 2 bishops) , but can you win OP's position in 14 against Nalimov?

And you'll probably never face it in your life. Don't waste your time on it.

Same would apply to just about all the problems you post. People are free to waste their time in whatever way takes their fancy.

Rather work on Q vs R!

MARattigan
admiral_stapler wrote:

Many beginners can do the QK vs K

A Novice can do KR vs K

Experienced players breeze through the KBB vs K

Masters know by heart the KNB vs K

Together, these make up the four basic checkmates, ...

Fine included 3 knights (and 2 knights) as "elementary endgames".

Others have included 2 knights v pawn and more. There is no general agreement on "the four basic checkmates".

Bernardino222

Arisktotle wrote:

The 3 knight win is about the easiest in chess. And you'll probably never face it in your life. Don't waste your time on it. Rather work on Q vs R!

I'm of the same opinion. And in general it would be nice to introduce chess in such applications as https://prioklib.ru/ 1xbet apk. Where it would be possible to make good money on it. After all, imagine how much time each of us has spent at the board. And if all this time could be converted into money, it would be wonderful.

MARattigan

A more challenging example.

 
Black to play. White to mate in 21.
Arisktotle
MARattigan wrote:
Arisktotle wrote:

The 3 knight win is about the easiest in chess.

Very easy to win ("about the easiest in chess" might be considered hyperbolic - it has deeper mates than 2 bishops) , but can you win OP's position in 14 against Nalimov?

And you'll probably never face it in your life. Don't waste your time on it.

Same would apply to just about all the problems you post. People are free to waste their time in whatever way takes their fancy.

Rather work on Q vs R!

(1) The goals of a problemist are completely different from those of a game player. As in COMPLETELY. Not only in terms of problem objectives but also in the appreciation of content. And this post clearly comes from a game player.

(2) How deep 3N checkmates are is of no interest to the players unless they come close to the 50-move line. Multiplied by the probability that such a position will ever occur in the life of a chess player, the pay-out of such study is practically 0. Comparing "3N" to "2N vs P", the latter is way more significant in game practice - even when already rare.

MARattigan

The goals of anyone who is interested in endgames as mathematical problems are different from both those of a problemist and a game player.

There is no reason to dismiss those problems you are not interested in if others might be. Many game players would dismiss chess problems on the same grounds and with equal justification.

While the goals of game players and problemists are different, there is nothing to stop anyone, including OP, from wearing both hats.

Arisktotle

Of course, nobody contests that!

But the OP is clearly not in that domain. Can't you read that from post#1? He probably can't even spell the word mathematics.

kartik20000

Nf3

MARattigan

You missed some out.

Thepasswordis1234

lets make this harder...

drdos7
Thepasswordis1234 wrote:

lets make this harder...

This is a tablebase draw.

Thepasswordis1234

no for black