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davidkimchi

so hard

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AdityaPatel17

You can also pull off a ridiculous triple fork if he plays the wayward queen.

Alchessblitz

[From my point of view]

So bot.Nelson is "a noob" but like any bot it can play fast and resist in a losing position and can end up winning at the chess clock.  And against most of the players controlled by artificial intelligence an important thing is to develop a sufficiently good natural tactical level.

I specify that it is in time 5m and that before mat it was to remain me 10s thus brief a difficulty against a bot is that it has tendency has to oblige us to calculate or think more

1) e4-d5

2) Qh5

This move is bad because bot.Nelson loses a tempo by not developing "minor pieces" or playing a move related to development, that it Queen is exposed to lose a tempo and the pawn d5 is in contact with e4. 

Concretely his idea is to make [2...a6] 3. Qxd5. 

Often the strategy or the basic method of play of an artificial intelligence consists in looking at all the possible moves on the chessboard, eliminating those where there is a direct refutation (direct error) or indirect (tactical combination) then it plays material, i.e that the selected move will be in priority the one which threatens a material or tactical gain.

After there are programs with more elaborate algorithms but normaly in the end they are only data put in by the programmer allowing the AI to make more elaborate choices in relation to its possibilities.

2)...Nf6

3) Qf3

So here is Bot.Nelson playing like a "human noob" but the difference is that bot.Nelson's moves always have a calculated idea even if objectively they are strategically bad.

Here his idea is encouraged to play 3...Bg4 to react with 4. Qb3 attacking b7 and doesn't lose e4. That's why we tend to think more against a bot because a human normaly always plays more or less with plans so we often anticipate more easily what he wants to do but the AI doesn't really play with plans or doesn't really have a strategy it plays by elimination of moves, according to the data in its algorithm, in relation to the games that it has already done (but artificially it can draw a plan which can direct us on false tracks).
3)...Nxe4 

4) d3-Nf6

5) d4-Bg4

6) Qa3

On 6. Qb3-Nbd7 7. Qxb7-Rb8 one Bishop, two Knights, one Rook against one Queen developed, White would have played a trash.

6)...Nc6 

Obviously bot.Nelson encourages to play 6...e6 or maybe 6...e5 but I find this move elimined confusion or makes things simpler with always the push of the pawn e who can be to play to next move.

I'm trying to say that we shouldn't be manipulated by the AI by playing the most obvious moves because in some cases we are just following the line it calculated where at the finish it planned a dirty trick.   

7) Ne2-Bxe2

8) Kxe2  

Realy nonsense and grotesque, it's a mistake that a human can hardly make or cannot make. If 8) Bxe2-Nxd4 and of course 9. Qa4+ doesn't work because 9...Nc6 

8)...Nxd4+

9) Kd1-e5

I take control of the center in addition to wining one tempo on the Queen.

10) Qe3-Bd6

11) Nc3

I feared more 11.f4 

11)...o-o

12) Bd3-c5

13) Nb5-Nxb5

14) Bxb5-a6

15) Bd3-e4

So here the method is to play positional and active when we have no idea how exactly to win. That allows to play more quickly, that increases the advantage and that ends up winning more easily. 

15)...e4 attacks Bd3 and ameliore my black square Bishop. My position is immediatly positionally stronger no need to think and it doesn't matter that it wouldn't be the best move since I definitely improved the strength of my position.

 

Then I don't have much to say for the rest.

 

 

 

AdityaPatel17

Shameful to who? You or Nelson?

Lariixd

no.

 

toxic_internet
AdityaPatel17 wrote:

Shameful to who? You or Nelson?

 

It's self-explanatory.

AndyMo9650

I always play d4.He often plays the Englund Gambit(d4 e5).

We win a pawn.Also trade queens early.Nelson without a queen is like a headless chicken.

When I play d4 against him my winning chances are like 90,and d4 e5+trade queens is like 95% winning for me.

Also Vienna game then Nf3 is also good.

TheGreatSchism

Why is it so hard to beat Aron and Emir, but Nelson easy?

atharrayhanraufaarzana

fun fact : bringing the queen to early can lead to opening blunders

atharrayhanraufaarzana
TheGreatSchism wrote:

Why is it so hard to beat Aron and Emir, but Nelson easy?

i beat aron and emir

atharrayhanraufaarzana

i beat nelson 2 times

atharrayhanraufaarzana
atharrayhanraufaarzana

i beat nelson in 15 moves : D

chef124s

Im still new but i guess the point of his style of play seems to be to learn to deal with your emotional side because in the beginning he seems to make alot of folks really angry. Good thing he is a bot and not a real person i guess. He might catch a beatin in the street from somebody.... lol

Geradlosempavor

I find that with Black, after 1. e4, play 1... d5. Nelson goes 2. Qh5, then 2...Nf6 attacking his Queen which he moves and then 3... Nxe4, gaining a pawn. Typically then I go for Nf6 and if Nelson's Queen is on f4, ...e5 to develop and kick his Queen around. He seems to lose his rhythm if you do that.

CheeseBoardSquare

I beat him for the first time today (2 times out of 3 games), and I feel it's an achievement for me. I think it really good training to play a bot who is slightly above your skill level (you can't rely on the supposed elo of the bot, you just have to try and see how it goes).

chef124s

i like playing bots above my level i do it as a rule. But his level is not correct.

kadengodwin

I can never win and I always trade queens really quick

anmolchess77

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