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CharlieFryk

https://www.chess.com/game/121480156860 

For my fellow beginners out there: you should use this opening as it’s op at your level

TibsClark

I still think it’s better to learn the queen’s gambit

wep08a
Absolutely not. Beginners should never use the London. It should be exclusively for elite players. It’s boring and will not help you improve. You can win with it, but you will not get better at chess by learning a system rather than actually learning principles and tactics. This is awful, horrible advice for beginners. Everyone who is non elite plays to improve and/or to have fun. Things like the London should not exist at that level.
TibsClark
wep08a wrote:
Absolutely not. Beginners should never use the London. It should be exclusively for elite players. It’s boring and will not help you improve. You can win with it, but you will not get better at chess by learning a system rather than actually learning principles and tactics. This is awful, horrible advice for beginners. Everyone who is non elite plays to improve and/or to have fun. Things like the London should not exist at that level.

I disagree, it will help you improve as it will put you in positions where you have to take advantage of weaknesses & as well as that it is an opening which forces you to respond to your opponents. While an opening like the queen’s gambit or catalan is better there is not anything wrong with london except for being boring

AlekhineEnthusiast46

If you want everyone to hate you, play the London lol

TibsClark

yeah boringness is the downside of the london. It will lead to long solid games which will be drawn a lot more frequently than other openings such as the king’s gambit. The king’s gambit will help you improve your tactics, & is fun but black can equalise if they know what to do

magipi

In the game given, black's Na5 is a horrible blunder, white has mate-in-2. Instead, white plays Qb4 (another horrible blunder), after which black can trade queens and win a piece. Instead, black blunders again and white wins.

The opening had nothing to do with the outcome of the game.

AlekhineEnthusiast46

By not caring about what you say, anyway how are you managing getting to 1000 rating?

RussBell

Introduction To The London System & Jobava London System

https://www.chess.com/blog/RussBell/the-london-system

AlekhineEnthusiast46

Don't teach him the ways I beg you!

TibsClark

I just relized it was a game, & wtf was that. Firstly, Black played Qe7 which already blocks the bishop, has no purpose & gives white a development lead. Then after you both castled black played b5 blundering the pawn & significantly weakening their king. White didn’t take so black defended but then white blundered the bishop, but black didn’t take & hung mate in 2, then white didn’t play Ba6+ but instead offered a queen trade, then black immediately counter blunders by taking the bishop & loses

TibsClark
TibsClark wrote:

I just relized it was a game, & wtf was that. Firstly, Black played Qe7 which already blocks the bishop, has no purpose & gives white a development lead. Then after you both castled black played b5 blundering the pawn & significantly weakening their king. White didn’t take so black defended but then white blundered the bishop, but black didn’t take & hung mate in 2, then white didn’t play Ba6+ but instead offered a queen trade, then black immediately counter blunders by taking the bishop & loses

plus black blundered their queen & all that happened in 13 moves

CharlieFryk

Yeah I agree the London is boring, but if you want play more regular opening moves to make it kind of a combo of several openings, you’ll probably confuse your opponent while still having a good position, also about the queen blunder, for some reason that always happens and I’m unsure why

Ploughboy_95

People complain about the london, about how it stunts development, blah blah blah. But if it gets you wins then use it.

CharlieFryk

Ploughboy_95, well said.

AlekhineEnthusiast46

You will not be very liked by the players, but if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

pawildcat2021
AlekhineEnthusiast46 wrote:

If you want everyone to hate you, play the London lol

LOL I don't think the objective of chess is to play an opening that is loved by your opponents.

AdhvaithAjay

It can help beginners to a certain extent. Some benefit include allowing beginners to:

- Not hang their queen (and other pieces) in the first 10. moves

- Not create a crazy weakness in the opening

- Have a very solid and annoying structure that will cause opponents to overextend

- Easy to learn opening, won't take away too much time from studying other things

Other benefits:

- Opponents at the beginner level won't play the most annoying ways against it.

- Once you get stronger just switch to the jobava london

- Many videos about it

Downsides:

- Black can equalize easily against it with correct play

- Quite boring

- Less tactical opportunities at the earlier stages of the game, if london plyers don't learn their opening tactics then switching to other openings or facing some transposition could be devastating

- Beginners blaming the London system for a potential lack of progress (becuaase masters say it's boring)

I think beginners can totally learn the London! Just don't play it against your real friends! (they will hate you for it)

You can also play e4 and stick to principles, a four knights game (probably) on't lose in 4 moves if it's played by beginners (there is also a four knight's game course on chess.com for free)

Plus, if you don't like the london then you can switch to to other annoying openings like the stonewall which still have cons, but beginners still won't punish that and it has some more attacking potential than most London lines. the experience against other replies to d5 will allow you to switch around your d4 d5 opening.

If you want options to switch to after you think you are done with the london, they could include:

- The Jobava London

- The Catalan Opening

- The Queen's Gambit

- The Blackmar-Diemer Gambit (Objectively not very good)

I hope this changes your opinion on the London system! While I don't use it myself, many great players have and it definitely deserves less hate and more respect than it's reputation makes most think. (Be honest, you hate playing against it as black even if you objectively equalized)

If you find any errors in what I say, please let me know! I will try to fix them!

AdhvaithAjay
TibsClark wrote:

I just relized it was a game, & wtf was that. Firstly, Black played Qe7 which already blocks the bishop, has no purpose & gives white a development lead. Then after you both castled black played b5 blundering the pawn & significantly weakening their king. White didn’t take so black defended but then white blundered the bishop, but black didn’t take & hung mate in 2, then white didn’t play Ba6+ but instead offered a queen trade, then black immediately counter blunders by taking the bishop & loses

I understand where you are coming from, (What even is Qe7?) But this post is advising beginners to play it, you should expect nonsense like Qe7 showing up in their games until they improve!

CharlieFryk
pawildcat2021 skrev:
AlekhineEnthusiast46 wrote:

If you want everyone to hate you, play the London lol

LOL I don't think the objective of chess is to play an opening that is loved by your opponents.

I think the point of a good opening is to annoy your opponent lol