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REACHED 2000 PUZZLE RATING / HOWEVER IT'S A WASTE OF TIME

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ImTrashLOL_91

I hover between 700 - 800 rating on chess.com. Used to be stagnated at 600. So I tried doing the puzzles. They quickly became easy for me then a little hard and now easy again. I have worked over 3000 puzzles. People on here say do (tactics tactics tactics). However, I'm starting to see it's stupid advice. Getting good at tactics will NOT make you a better chess player. It only slightly improves board vision. Most of the tactics do not show up in game. It's pointless if you don't understand how to get into a position to allow tactics. I'm terrible at chess. Even if I reached a 3000 rating which I think I could accomplish, it will not translate to winning. Based on my experience puzzle rating also has 0% relevancy to your chess rating or ability. Anyone who tells you otherwise are just lazy coaches who don't actually teach or people who have no clue what they're talking about. This is just some advice for other beginners like me so they don't waste time unless they actually enjoy solving tactics. It's just a novelty when it comes to chess. I do they for fun now myself just to see how high I can get it just for laughs. Because it's a joke. I have even solved tactics out of books. They are to easy and teaches you nothing.

ppandachess

Hi there.

Ratings in puzzles and ratings on a given time control don't correlate as puzzles only relate to a very specific moment of the game.

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AdhvaithAjay

Your concern: "It's pointless if you don't understand how to get into a position to allow tactics."

I think it may be your opening choice with white (london system). Try a more tactical opening in e4 (scotch gambit, italian etc) and with black you seem fine in the opening department. try playing slower and calculating the lines when there are many captures and you should decrease blunders happy.png. Good luck! quick note - play 10 min games. above that many cheaters are found in the pool.

When I was around your rating level, doing a few puzzles a week was effective enough. The key was to watch a lot of videos and think about the moves. The board vision built on its own. If you are playing many games every day, take a week or two break from playing. Only watch, and you should be able to break 800. (This is my personal experience, may not work for everyone).

AdhvaithAjay

Tactics are actually pretty important, I have been able to reach 1500 rapid rating with only 2300 puzzle rating. It's just your opening and time management I feel. You're almost there

whiteknight1968

I believe that doing puzzles may help you to improve slightly, but I'd agree that it won't instantly add hundreds to your rating. It is however a much better use of your time than playing fast chess if you don't have the time or inclination to play a proper game.

ImTrashLOL_91
AdhvaithAjay wrote:

Your concern: "It's pointless if you don't understand how to get into a position to allow tactics."

I think it may be your opening choice with white (london system). Try a more tactical opening in e4 (scotch gambit, italian etc) and with black you seem fine in the opening department. try playing slower and calculating the lines when there are many captures and you should decrease blunders . Good luck! quick note - play 10 min games. above that many cheaters are found in the pool.

When I was around your rating level, doing a few puzzles a week was effective enough. The key was to watch a lot of videos and think about the moves. The board vision built on its own. If you are playing many games every day, take a week or two break from playing. Only watch, and you should be able to break 800. (This is my personal experience, may not work for everyone).

I have tried the scotch and other gambits. Problem is people in my rating don't respond with any of the main lines. They also very rarely accept them. So I get walked all over simply because I don't understand anything about the opening other than memorizing the lines.

ImTrashLOL_91
AdhvaithAjay wrote:

Tactics are actually pretty important, I have been able to reach 1500 rapid rating with only 2300 puzzle rating. It's just your opening and time management I feel. You're almost there

Idk, I'm fairly confident I can reach at minimum a 2500 puzzle rating. I'm already climbing to 2100. I see tactics when they exist. The issue is no tactics exist and then my opponents put a lot of pressure on me not allowing me to finish my development.

Hripfria202

Puzzles help me to warm up before I want to play. Like I solve 2-3 of my puzzles, and then I play. Otherwise, if I didn't solve any puzzle before I play, I don't feel confident enough about my moves, and I feel like I am playing like a beginner

Hripfria202

So I think they are helpful, personally to me they are

AdhvaithAjay
ImTrashLOL_91 wrote:

I have tried the scotch and other gambits. Problem is people in my rating don't respond with any of the main lines. They also very rarely accept them. So I get walked all over simply because I don't understand anything about the opening other than memorizing the lines.

That means they are not good moves from your opponent, all you have to do is take a look with the engine after the game and you will get a refutation to their idea, but this is good since unclear gambit positions can lead to lots of opening tactics, which you should be able to handle with your quite high puzzle rating for your level. As for understanding your opening, the reason I suggested it is so that many tactics appear in the first place. Make sure you look for tactics for your opponent as well. Until about 1000, openings don't really matter. Just use basic opening principles and preferably 1. e4 and the tactics should win/lose the game. Good luck!

AdhvaithAjay

All you have to do is look for puzzle tactics in your position, and see if your opponent has any as well. If you notice one for your opponent, stop it and your elo will already be around 1300-1400. It isn't easy though, don't be discouraged.

LOSTATCHESS

so with all the options here -- the question still remains unanswered by quorum - is doing puzzles make you a better chess player for people like me 150 type players or not ???

malikirfan07

Hey

Git_er_done

Puzzles certainly help.... But they're not a panacea for making other errors.

ImTrashLOL_91
LOSTATCHESS wrote:

so with all the options here -- the question still remains unanswered by quorum - is doing puzzles make you a better chess player for people like me 150 type players or not ???

Being a lower level I would say they are good. Helps with board vision and noticing things. It's pretty much it's own separate skill. It will probably bring your elo up into the 700-800 rage. After that puzzles start to have diminishing returns. I actually started losing more lately. My brother who is 1,800 recommended a book "How to reassess your chess 4th edition by Jeremy Silman". Most of my issues come from lacking strategy.

ImTrashLOL_91
malikirfan07 wrote:

Hey

Hello

ImTrashLOL_91
Crazy7butZombie wrote:

My puzzle rating is 2100 and is slowly progressing.

My game rating is 800 and there's little chance I will ever get to 1000.

All in all playing chess makes no sense.

I found out via a reddit post that the quantity of people in our rating pool happens to be quite small for having an over 2000 puzzle rating. Most people in our rage don't even do puzzles what so ever. Yet I get swamped by people with no puzzle rating and have played half as many games of chess.

AdhvaithAjay
LOSTATCHESS wrote:

so with all the options here -- the question still remains unanswered by quorum - is doing puzzles make you a better chess player for people like me 150 type players or not ???

They help when solved slowly, so you can increase board awareness and decrease blunders

Duckfest
ImTrashLOL_91 wrote:

I hover between 700 - 800 rating on chess.com. Used to be stagnated at 600. So I tried doing the puzzles. They quickly became easy for me then a little hard and now easy again. I have worked over 3000 puzzles. People on here say do (tactics tactics tactics). However, I'm starting to see it's stupid advice. Getting good at tactics will NOT make you a better chess player. It only slightly improves board vision. Most of the tactics do not show up in game. It's pointless if you don't understand how to get into a position to allow tactics. I'm terrible at chess. Even if I reached a 3000 rating which I think I could accomplish, it will not translate to winning. Based on my experience puzzle rating also has 0% relevancy to your chess rating or ability. Anyone who tells you otherwise are just lazy coaches who don't actually teach or people who have no clue what they're talking about. This is just some advice for other beginners like me so they don't waste time unless they actually enjoy solving tactics. It's just a novelty when it comes to chess. I do they for fun now myself just to see how high I can get it just for laughs. Because it's a joke. I have even solved tactics out of books. They are to easy and teaches you nothing.

There is a very strong correlation between puzzle rating and chess rating, though they are not calculated the same. The gap between rapid and puzzle rating varies from person to person, but is generally around 900 to 1000 (which works well as a benchmark).

If you invest in puzzles and improve your puzzle rating to around 1900 or 2000 that could mean your chess rating will go up to 900 or 1000 as well.

However there's a difference between solving puzzles and playing chess. In chess other factors play a role too like knowing opening principles, stress, ability to focus, positional understanding and time management, etc. It's not all about tactics, but at the same time it is. That's why people say it's just tactics tactics tactics. I've looked at three of your recent losses and all three were decided by tactics (this one, , this one and this one). Fourth one too. Doing puzzles isn't a simple fix but it's a step in the good direction. Because all your recent losses could be won with just better tactics.

Anyway good luck!

magipi
ImTrashLOL_91 wrote:

Most of the tactics do not show up in game. It's pointless if you don't understand how to get into a position to allow tactics.

On the contrary, all puzzles are taken from actual games. And in your own games there are multiple opportunities to make a winning tactical shot or avoid giving one to your opponent.

Here is an example from one of your latest games:

https://www.chess.com/game/live/122615061749?username=imtrashlol_91

With 9. - Nxd5, you simply blundered a piece. Your opponent simply has to take it. He missed it, and played a bad move ( 10. Rxe5+), which allowed you to get away with Ne7. Instead, you played Be6, which blunders the same piece again.

Later, on move 16, you simply blundered your queen with Qh6. Again, this is not even some clever tactics, you just put the queen on a square that was attacked by a bishop. Your opponent didn't take it.

Later you won your opponent's queen, and a few moves later you blundered it back to a simple discovered check.

At the end of the game you resigned in a position where you are slightly better. Was dinner ready or what?

You say that puzzle are too easy, but you failed some that are even easier. You should do more puzzles, not less.