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Ziryab
Marie-AnneLiz wrote:
Ziryab a écrit :

I've been teaching children for twenty years. Some of my students have become state champions.

Those games were lost through elementary tactics. 

The openings you recommend will STUNT the player's long-term growth, likely for decades. 

Basic opening principles will help. But, developing an opening repertoire at that level (really any level below 1800) is a waste of time.

Are you saying that you know better opening for a guy with already 794 games of experience here then GM Hikaru 2736 and IM Levy Rozman?

Beginners Chess Opening TIER LIST Finale with Hikaru and Levy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3FBRlzSMHc

 

 

I have more experience teaching beginners than Hikaru does.  Of course, the video assumes that opening study is a focus, and looks at which openings.

My argument is not about which openings, but whether that should be the focus.

 

Yes, I’m prepared to argue my case with any GM about what beginners need. I bring players up to 1400, or a bit higher. Then, they move on to learning from stronger players. Those who choose to go that far start beating me because they have a solid foundation.

My advice and methods did not come out of a hat. Rather, they developed from the teaching methods of Jose Capablanca, the advice of Vladimir Kramnik, Yasser Seirawan, and even Jeremy Silman. My methods have been honed with hundreds of students. I’m currently watching Garry Kasparov’s Master Class, and was stunned to find that he seems to have read one of my books (he didn’t, but there is a strong resemblance between how he approaches basic tactics and how I do. My method was developed out of ideas I learned from Bruce Pandolfini).

If the young child wants to improve, they can try wasting time focusing on openings, or they could try the approach laid out in Chess Fundamentals by Jose Capablanca. Learn checkmates, then tactics, then middlegame tactics, then basic opening principles (not so much specific openings), then look at whole games. Then repeat the cycle with more advanced materials.

I follow the former World Champion. I develop lessons based on this approach.

thejoker9000

What is the definition of a beginner?

Almost 70% is below 1100 (which is my current rank). So are they all supernoobs and ultrabeginners? Lol

Marie-AnneLiz
Ziryab a écrit :
Marie-AnneLiz wrote:
Ziryab a écrit :

I've been teaching children for twenty years. Some of my students have become state champions.

Those games were lost through elementary tactics. 

The openings you recommend will STUNT the player's long-term growth, likely for decades. 

Basic opening principles will help. But, developing an opening repertoire at that level (really any level below 1800) is a waste of time.

Are you saying that you know better opening for a guy with already 794 games of experience here then GM Hikaru 2736 and IM Levy Rozman?

Beginners Chess Opening TIER LIST Finale with Hikaru and Levy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3FBRlzSMHc

 

 

I have more experience teaching beginners than Hikaru does.  Of course, the video assumes that opening study is a focus, and looks at which openings.

My argument is not about which openings, but whether that should be the focus.

 

Yes, I’m prepared to argue my case with any GM about what beginners need. I bring players up to 1400, or a bit higher. Then, they move on to learning from stronger players. Those who choose to go that far start beating me because they have a solid foundation.

My advice and methods did not come out of a hat. Rather, they developed from the teaching methods of Jose Capablanca, the advice of Vladimir Kramnik, Yasser Seirawan, and even Jeremy Silman. My methods have been honed with hundreds of students. I’m currently watching Garry Kasparov’s Master Class, and was stunned to find that he seems to have read one of my books (he didn’t, but there is a strong resemblance between how he approaches basic tactics and how I do. My method was developed out of ideas I learned from Bruce Pandolfini).

If the young child wants to improve, they can try wasting time focusing on openings, or they could try the approach laid out in Chess Fundamentals by Jose Capablanca. Learn checkmates, then tactics, then middlegame tactics, then basic opening principles (not so much specific openings), then look at whole games. Then repeat the cycle with more advanced materials.

I follow the former World Champion. I develop lessons based on this approach.

I disagree because if you only explain to a real beginner the opening principles he could start with c4 or Nf3 or g3 or Nc3 or B3...and for a beginner e4 and d4 are the best by far.

By teaching a simple opening and explaining why each pieces are going where they go it take less than 1 hour and voila! one problem is solved for a while...

The guy here after 794 games is completely lost in 2 of his last 3 games when he had white! and he lost those two games in 7 moves or less.

When i started my main book was approved by my chess federation and it came from two russian coach....a GM Lev Alburt and an IM Roman Pelts:

448 pages of everything you need to get to 1500 Elo.

Comprehensive Chess Course. now in two books...

Marie-AnneLiz
thejoker9000 a écrit :

What is the definition of a beginner?

Almost 70% is below 1100 (which is my current rank). So are they all supernoobs and ultrabeginners? Lol

Some peoples say beginner and advance beginner and experience beginner wink.png

I agree a 1390 Elo is a lot stronger then a 1200 Elo and a 1200 to a 800 Elo.

Marie-AnneLiz
Ziryab a écrit :
Marie-AnneLiz wrote:
Ziryab a écrit :

I've been teaching children for twenty years. Some of my students have become state champions.

Those games were lost through elementary tactics. 

The openings you recommend will STUNT the player's long-term growth, likely for decades. 

Basic opening principles will help. But, developing an opening repertoire at that level (really any level below 1800) is a waste of time.

Are you saying that you know better opening for a guy with already 794 games of experience here then GM Hikaru 2736 and IM Levy Rozman?

Beginners Chess Opening TIER LIST Finale with Hikaru and Levy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3FBRlzSMHc

 

 

I have more experience teaching beginners than Hikaru does.  Of course, the video assumes that opening study is a focus, and looks at which openings.

My argument is not about which openings, but whether that should be the focus.

 

Yes, I’m prepared to argue my case with any GM about what beginners need. I bring players up to 1400, or a bit higher. Then, they move on to learning from stronger players. Those who choose to go that far start beating me because they have a solid foundation.

My advice and methods did not come out of a hat. Rather, they developed from the teaching methods of Jose Capablanca, the advice of Vladimir Kramnik, Yasser Seirawan, and even Jeremy Silman. My methods have been honed with hundreds of students. I’m currently watching Garry Kasparov’s Master Class, and was stunned to find that he seems to have read one of my books (he didn’t, but there is a strong resemblance between how he approaches basic tactics and how I do. My method was developed out of ideas I learned from Bruce Pandolfini).

If the young child wants to improve, they can try wasting time focusing on openings, or they could try the approach laid out in Chess Fundamentals by Jose Capablanca. Learn checkmates, then tactics, then middlegame tactics, then basic opening principles (not so much specific openings), then look at whole games. Then repeat the cycle with more advanced materials.

I follow the former World Champion. I develop lessons based on this approach.

"I have more experience teaching beginners than Hikaru does. "

But not even close to Levy the IM that did that in the last 10+ years!

And my opinion come from my experience. 

And spending 2 hours to learn two opening is not a waste of time for a players that already has 794 games of experience here and lost two of his three last games opening in 7 moves.

Strangemover

Literally stated he has been teaching youngsters for 20 years... 

Marie-AnneLiz
Strangemover a écrit :

Literally stated he has been teaching youngsters for 20 years... 

Levy is an IM and did teach thousands...you can teach 10 guys a year for 20 years that is still only 200 and Quality > quantity! go check Levy and tell me he doesn't know what he is talking about?

Strangemover

Yes of course Levy knows about chess. Whether he is a better teacher than other less prominent names is open to question. The IM title or the chess ability is not the important factor, it is the teaching skills and the understanding of the learning process. 

Marie-AnneLiz
Strangemover a écrit :

Yes of course Levy knows about chess. Whether he is a better teacher than other less prominent names is open to question. The IM title or the chess ability is not the important factor, it is the teaching skills and the understanding of the learning process. 

I did teach chess for many years and many student do not follow at all the advice about the opening principles or they want to play very fast games because they are addicted and they do not want to play slower game even if it's very important to learn and they do not want to analyse their games....very few really want to work and read and do exercises that is why so few get above 1600 Elo (30%).

So the teaching skills and understanding the learning process is not enough to succeed.

The passion for the game and to be better than your student is a must! plus some magic sauce!

Strangemover

Well yeah...we agree then that for the student to develop the teacher must have the skills. 

Knightninja8855
Is 500 a good number?
DixieLandTN

I doubt I will ever reach beginner level if I have to get to 1800.  Thats kinda harsh!

Ziryab
Marie-AnneLiz wrote:
Ziryab a écrit :
Marie-AnneLiz wrote:
Ziryab a écrit :

I've been teaching children for twenty years. Some of my students have become state champions.

Those games were lost through elementary tactics. 

The openings you recommend will STUNT the player's long-term growth, likely for decades. 

Basic opening principles will help. But, developing an opening repertoire at that level (really any level below 1800) is a waste of time.

Are you saying that you know better opening for a guy with already 794 games of experience here then GM Hikaru 2736 and IM Levy Rozman?

Beginners Chess Opening TIER LIST Finale with Hikaru and Levy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3FBRlzSMHc

 

 

I have more experience teaching beginners than Hikaru does.  Of course, the video assumes that opening study is a focus, and looks at which openings.

My argument is not about which openings, but whether that should be the focus.

 

Yes, I’m prepared to argue my case with any GM about what beginners need. I bring players up to 1400, or a bit higher. Then, they move on to learning from stronger players. Those who choose to go that far start beating me because they have a solid foundation.

My advice and methods did not come out of a hat. Rather, they developed from the teaching methods of Jose Capablanca, the advice of Vladimir Kramnik, Yasser Seirawan, and even Jeremy Silman. My methods have been honed with hundreds of students. I’m currently watching Garry Kasparov’s Master Class, and was stunned to find that he seems to have read one of my books (he didn’t, but there is a strong resemblance between how he approaches basic tactics and how I do. My method was developed out of ideas I learned from Bruce Pandolfini).

If the young child wants to improve, they can try wasting time focusing on openings, or they could try the approach laid out in Chess Fundamentals by Jose Capablanca. Learn checkmates, then tactics, then middlegame tactics, then basic opening principles (not so much specific openings), then look at whole games. Then repeat the cycle with more advanced materials.

I follow the former World Champion. I develop lessons based on this approach.

I disagree because if you only explain to a real beginner the opening principles he could start with c4 or Nf3 or g3 or Nc3 or B3...and for a beginner e4 and d4 are the best by far.

By teaching a simple opening and explaining why each pieces are going where they go it take less than 1 hour and voila! one problem is solved for a while...

The guy here after 794 games is completely lost in 2 of his last 3 games when he had white! and he lost those two games in 7 moves or less.

When i started my main book was approved by my chess federation and it came from two russian coach....a GM Lev Alburt and an IM Roman Pelts:

448 pages of everything you need to get to 1500 Elo.

Comprehensive Chess Course. now in two books...

 

The way I teach center control, players seek to move both center pawns.

You do make some good points, though. 

However, I must repeat my insistence that our young friend is getting destroyed through tactics.

When I started playing chess, no one I knew had the faintest concept of much. We would move all of our pawns, then array the pieces behind, and then break. Or we would bring out our rooks first because we thought we knew how to use them.

After seven years of the worst play imaginable, I learned about chess books. I found several at the library. The one I remember best was Irving Chernev, 1000 Best Short Games of Chess, a book that was twenty years old when I started reading it. I first learned opening principles and tactics from those miniatures.

Ziryab
Marie-AnneLiz wrote

"I have more experience teaching beginners than Hikaru does. "

But not even close to Levy the IM that did that in the last 10+ years!

 

I don’t know. I’ve taught beginners 21 years. Over 1000 children have learned to play chess from my instruction in their classroom.

Chess has never been my full-time job, but have spent as much as 12 hours per week teaching young players.

Again, emphasis on openings as the cure for obvious tactical failure is where I disagree with you.

I’ve played the French Defense as my main reply to 1.e4 since 2003. I’ve played tens of thousands of games in the opening. I’ve been through every single game published in Informant in one of the main variations, and easily 1000 GM games in all variations of the French. I’ve beaten masters in correspondence and blitz playing the French. A FIDE master needed 72 moves to force my resignation OTB, and I could have claimed a draw on move 62 (I suspected, but was not certain that we had repeated the position—we did on moved 58, 60, and 62).

Nonetheless, I’ve been crushed in 15-20 moves in the past week more than once because inattention resulted in tactical failure.

vishwajeetparth

200 is a beginner rating

rishabh11great
vishwajeetparth wrote:

200 is a beginner rating

You yourself are a beginner.

Stein-witz

I am a beginner and joined recently, my rapid rating is now 1081. However, on the page that shows my rating, under "better than x% of players" it says "nicht zutreffend". Why is that information  not given?

GGuessMyName

You have to play more games in order to get a percentile

thejoker9000
Stein-witz schreef:

I am a beginner and joined recently, my rapid rating is now 1081. However, on the page that shows my rating, under "better than x% of players" it says "nicht zutreffend". Why is that information  not given?

We almost have the same rating. Mine says 67.9% percentile . I consider myself an advanced beginner. Aiming to reach 1500 this year

Marie-AnneLiz
Ziryab a écrit :
Marie-AnneLiz wrote

"I have more experience teaching beginners than Hikaru does. "

But not even close to Levy the IM that did that in the last 10+ years!

 

I don’t know. I’ve taught beginners 21 years. Over 1000 children have learned to play chess from my instruction in their classroom.

Chess has never been my full-time job, but have spent as much as 12 hours per week teaching young players.

Again, emphasis on openings as the cure for obvious tactical failure is where I disagree with you.

I’ve played the French Defense as my main reply to 1.e4 since 2003. I’ve played tens of thousands of games in the opening. I’ve been through every single game published in Informant in one of the main variations, and easily 1000 GM games in all variations of the French. I’ve beaten masters in correspondence and blitz playing the French. A FIDE master needed 72 moves to force my resignation OTB, and I could have claimed a draw on move 62 (I suspected, but was not certain that we had repeated the position—we did on moved 58, 60, and 62).

Nonetheless, I’ve been crushed in 15-20 moves in the past week more than once because inattention resulted in tactical failure.

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