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StageKing

Survive the opening and get a better or drawn position. If it's better, keep it and if it's drawn, just play reasonable moves until you're opponent blunders.

HolographWars

National Master Nelson Lopez (Chess Vibes) just lost to a 980 rated player on his rating climb account. Nelson admitted he didn't play as well as he should have. But the 980 wasn't a beginner by any means - he survived and found a cool tactical shot that the master overlooked.

BigChessplayer665
HolographWars wrote:

National Master Nelson Lopez (Chess Vibes) just lost to a 980 rated player on his rating climb account. Nelson admitted he didn't play as well as he should have. But the 980 wasn't a beginner by any means - he survived and found a cool tactical shot that the master overlooked.

Hikaru hung mate in one against a 1000 before beginners can spot tactics to even if it's harder for them

Unfortunately the 1000 missed it 2000+ have a habit of zoning out and just playing moves against 1000s sometimes and hang stuff they wouldn't normally 1000s play well very occasionally typically they do not tho

BigChessplayer665
StageKing wrote:

Survive the opening and get a better or drawn position. If it's better, keep it and if it's drawn, just play reasonable moves until you're opponent blunders.

Or swindle them it's funnier that way

IloveIllinois
magipi wrote:
chesssblackbelt wrote:

How long did it take me to get to 1200? About a month or 2. Just spam games and you get it.

You were 1200 just 1-2 months after learning the rules? That sounds extremely suspicious.

I agree that is very suspicious

IloveIllinois
chesssblackbelt wrote:

We're probably both biased by our rating. To me 1400 is still a beginner.

1400 is way too good to be a beginner in any system. 1400s understand openings, tend to have a lot of expierence, can play a competitive middle game, and have a basic understandingf an endgame.

IloveIllinois
chesssblackbelt wrote:

For fide I agree. For chess.com I think:

0-1400 beginner

1400-1700 low intermediate

1700-2000 intermediate

2000-2200 high intermediate

2200-2500 expert

2500+ titled or really good

Keep in mind 1200 is above the 90 percentile, and 1750 is above the 99 percentile

OutOfCheese

I started as a beginner (I knew the rules) and it put me at 400 - so not everybody is set at 1000 at the start. If you said you're intermediate and in reality you count as a beginner (lack of opening principles, lack of tactical and opening experience) then you'll get clapped pretty hard. Your rating will adjust until you meet people of your player strength. Don't be afraid to lose some rating at first, the point is to put you in an environment where you can improve the most. If ppl just dumpster you it'll be really hard to learn all the reasons you lost all at once.

BigChessplayer665
IloveIllinois wrote:
chesssblackbelt wrote:

We're probably both biased by our rating. To me 1400 is still a beginner.

1400 is way too good to be a beginner in any system. 1400s understand openings, tend to have a lot of expierence, can play a competitive middle game, and have a basic understandingf an endgame.

Some people can be 1600 with just a tiny bit of experience and the basics 1600 is more of a beginner/intermediate range

IloveIllinois
BigChessplayer665 wrote:
IloveIllinois wrote:
chesssblackbelt wrote:

We're probably both biased by our rating. To me 1400 is still a beginner.

1400 is way too good to be a beginner in any system. 1400s understand openings, tend to have a lot of expierence, can play a competitive middle game, and have a basic understandingf an endgame.

Some people can be 1600 with just a tiny bit of experience and the basics 1600 is more of a beginner/intermediate range

Starting out at 1600 means you are a 500 iq prodigy, it takes most people at least 2 years to get there

IloveIllinois

1600 is definitely an advanced intermediate player.

IloveIllinois
chesssblackbelt wrote:
IloveIllinois wrote:
chesssblackbelt wrote:

For fide I agree. For chess.com I think:

0-1400 beginner

1400-1700 low intermediate

1700-2000 intermediate

2000-2200 high intermediate

2200-2500 expert

2500+ titled or really good

Keep in mind 1200 is above the 90 percentile, and 1750 is above the 99 percentile

keep in mind that in otb 1400 is like 10 percentile

You were takilng about chess.com though

IloveIllinois
chesssblackbelt wrote:
IloveIllinois wrote:
BigChessplayer665 wrote:
IloveIllinois wrote:
chesssblackbelt wrote:

We're probably both biased by our rating. To me 1400 is still a beginner.

1400 is way too good to be a beginner in any system. 1400s understand openings, tend to have a lot of expierence, can play a competitive middle game, and have a basic understandingf an endgame.

Some people can be 1600 with just a tiny bit of experience and the basics 1600 is more of a beginner/intermediate range

Starting out at 1600 means you are a 500 iq prodigy, it takes most people at least 2 years to get there

It didn't take me long and I'm a moron

Either you have a teacher, or you are naturally gifted at chess.

ChrisZifo

This last week I have been ill, and I had a nasty drop in Blitz rating from 1850 way down to 1630.

A lot of the 1600-1700 players I played were putting up 95% accuracy, even over 20 moves, I was sure they were cheating! I do wonder if some players sit there with the grandmaster opening explorer ready, or maybe there are so bots out there. I had about 15 out of 20 opponents at the 1600-1700 level beating me, and when I looked at the analysis I had done very little wrong, and my estimated rating was 1900 and they were 2000 or higher!

I was getting angry and wondering if I was being punished, but then later in the day I got a lot of weak opponents who played 1300-1400 quality and my rating shot up again!

Maybe it is luck? Certain times, you just get people in bad form. Other times you get players who have your number.

Maybe I am just playiing better at certain times and that makes players seem easier?

And maybe when I play bad, and make just one mistake, it allows opponents to play well and get the 90% accuracy. It is weird, especially on Blitz.

BigChessplayer665
IloveIllinois wrote:

1600 is definitely an advanced intermediate player.

No it's more like "hay i have been playing and grinding for 2 years " why do I hang pieces by move 5 ?!

BigChessplayer665
ChrisZifo wrote:

This last week I have been ill, and I had a nasty drop in Blitz rating from 1850 way down to 1630.

A lot of the 1600-1700 players I played were putting up 95% accuracy, even over 20 moves, I was sure they were cheating! I do wonder if some players sit there with the grandmaster opening explorer ready, or maybe there are so bots out there. I had about 15 out of 20 opponents at the 1600-1700 level beating me, and when I looked at the analysis I had done very little wrong, and my estimated rating was 1900 and they were 2000 or higher!

I was getting angry and wondering if I was being punished, but then later in the day I got a lot of weak opponents who played 1300-1400 quality and my rating shot up again!

Maybe it is luck? Certain times, you just get people in bad form. Other times you get players who have your number.

Maybe I am just playiing better at certain times and that makes players seem easier?

And maybe when I play bad, and make just one mistake, it allows opponents to play well and get the 90% accuracy. It is weird, especially on Blitz.

I feel like the 1600s are more tryhards so you don't really expect it and play worse than you should

It's the 1700-1800 blitz death spiral intermediates get into

greenbean21
BigChessplayer665 wrote:
greenbean21 wrote:

Coming back to this in September 2024... It's getting stupid. The only time I consistently win is with 85+ accuracy and estimated rating of 1500+. This is against 900's btw. I always have to play at my very best to gain rating points, either due to some weird distribution where all us 900's are underrated, and are antagonizing each other, or there's just a bunch of cheaters.

The rating estimator overvalues 900 playing strength a good chunk of the time you should ignore it

1. Where are you getting this information

2. The accuracy (Maybe the positions are simpler/dryer)

3. I've beaten actual 1400s+ in tournaments if that's a better estimation

It just feels like there's a large pool of underrated 800-1000s keeping each other's rating low. Also, you're 2100 and some of your games are rated 500 points above that, so maybe it's true of all levels.

BigChessplayer665
greenbean21 wrote:
BigChessplayer665 wrote:
greenbean21 wrote:

Coming back to this in September 2024... It's getting stupid. The only time I consistently win is with 85+ accuracy and estimated rating of 1500+. This is against 900's btw. I always have to play at my very best to gain rating points, either due to some weird distribution where all us 900's are underrated, and are antagonizing each other, or there's just a bunch of cheaters.

The rating estimator overvalues 900 playing strength a good chunk of the time you should ignore it

1. Where are you getting this information

2. The accuracy (Maybe the positions are simpler/dryer)

3. I've beaten actual 1400s+ in tournaments if that's a better estimation

It just feels like there's a large pool of underrated 800-1000s keeping each other's rating low. Also, you're 2100 and some of your games are rated 500 points above that, so maybe it's true of all levels.

Cause I was 1600 before that's just my experience with it they seem like they play perfect trust me they are just as annoyed at the amount of blunders they make as you are 1600-1800s are sort of like 800s on steroids

ChrisZifo
BigChessplayer665 wrote:
ChrisZifo wrote:

This last week I have been ill, and I had a nasty drop in Blitz rating from 1850 way down to 1630.

A lot of the 1600-1700 players I played were putting up 95% accuracy, even over 20 moves, I was sure they were cheating! I do wonder if some players sit there with the grandmaster opening explorer ready, or maybe there are so bots out there. I had about 15 out of 20 opponents at the 1600-1700 level beating me, and when I looked at the analysis I had done very little wrong, and my estimated rating was 1900 and they were 2000 or higher!

I was getting angry and wondering if I was being punished, but then later in the day I got a lot of weak opponents who played 1300-1400 quality and my rating shot up again!

Maybe it is luck? Certain times, you just get people in bad form. Other times you get players who have your number.

Maybe I am just playiing better at certain times and that makes players seem easier?

And maybe when I play bad, and make just one mistake, it allows opponents to play well and get the 90% accuracy. It is weird, especially on Blitz.

I feel like the 1600s are more tryhards so you don't really expect it and play worse than you should

It's the 1700-1800 blitz death spiral intermediates get into

Yeah, I think you are right..

I have played a HUGE number of games on here-- 10s of thousands. It is very hard to get above 1800 on Blitz unless you have a certain kind of talent. Players REALLY do know their openings, the tactics, and how win an endgame.

On Rapid, I reached 2100 playing much the same quality of chess. I guess I think longer and harder because there is more time available-- perhaps that makes all the difference? But I do honestly think Blitz is 200-300 points harder. Try a new opening against a 1900 on Rapid and you will have the same success against a 1600-1700 player on Blitz.

BigChessplayer665
ChrisZifo wrote:
BigChessplayer665 wrote:
ChrisZifo wrote:

This last week I have been ill, and I had a nasty drop in Blitz rating from 1850 way down to 1630.

A lot of the 1600-1700 players I played were putting up 95% accuracy, even over 20 moves, I was sure they were cheating! I do wonder if some players sit there with the grandmaster opening explorer ready, or maybe there are so bots out there. I had about 15 out of 20 opponents at the 1600-1700 level beating me, and when I looked at the analysis I had done very little wrong, and my estimated rating was 1900 and they were 2000 or higher!

I was getting angry and wondering if I was being punished, but then later in the day I got a lot of weak opponents who played 1300-1400 quality and my rating shot up again!

Maybe it is luck? Certain times, you just get people in bad form. Other times you get players who have your number.

Maybe I am just playiing better at certain times and that makes players seem easier?

And maybe when I play bad, and make just one mistake, it allows opponents to play well and get the 90% accuracy. It is weird, especially on Blitz.

I feel like the 1600s are more tryhards so you don't really expect it and play worse than you should

It's the 1700-1800 blitz death spiral intermediates get into

Yeah, I think you are right..

I have played a HUGE number of games on here-- 10s of thousands. It is very hard to get above 1800 on Blitz unless you have a certain kind of talent. Players REALLY do know their openings, the tactics, and how win an endgame.

On Rapid, I reached 2100 playing much the same quality of chess. I guess I think longer and harder because there is more time available-- perhaps that makes all the difference? But I do honestly think Blitz is 200-300 points harder. Try a new opening against a 1900 on Rapid and you will have the same success against a 1600-1700 player on Blitz.

1600s-1800s are there either the adults that play for years are or the talented people get get good ina couple years past of the issue is the adjustment to playing style is really painful plus 1600-1800 is the range before cheating starts to get incredibly difficult (even if most don't cheat )