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God_of_hellfire

Here is a game I completed recently, I was not confident of winning, so offered a draw, which was accepted. 

Can anyone see a way that I could have won and if so how?  Or was I right to go for the draw.

I haven't annotated the game and only show the finishing position.

I would appreciate the feedback, thanks.


Fromper

I never think it's correct to go for a draw. If you aren't sure if the game is dead drawn or not, then playing it out is the best way to find out. You might lose, but you'll learn something, and that will make you a better player in the long run.

 

As for this specific position, I honestly don't know. I'm not that good at this type of endgame. Were you white or black?

 

--Fromper 


God_of_hellfire

Yes maybe your right I should have played the game to the end, but I think I had one eye on my rating!!! 

I was playing white, I should have specified earlier.

Thanks


Ray_Brooks
It looks like a draw to me... if anything the other guys got an edge; more space, control of the open file, a more active king and a rook in your camp that's not easy to shift, the pawn on a4 is a liability. I think you got all that you could, well done. What made you think that there was more for you here?
pthaloblue

There is nothing wrong with a draw!

I see black as having an advantage here, but even if you could have won... a draw is a fine ending.

 A draw means you fought, attacked, defended, and evenly countered your opponent.  It means he did the same.  It means you conspired with one another to play a beautiful game and neither of you made a serious losing mistake.

To offer a draw is to say,"we could go on and fight to the death but I would be relying on luck to gain any advantage. I see our positions as equal and have no plan to better my situation; lets both walk away from this battle with our honor intact."  If yor opponent accepts, he is saying the same. 

 Congratulations on a good game!


billwall
Asking for a draw may have been the right thing.  White is too cramped and Black has threats of penetrating with his King or working on White's weak pawns.  It depends on what White plays here.  If 1.cxb3, then 1...Rxb3 looks good for Black.  If 1.c4, then 1...Rb8 and 2...Rb4 may win a pawn.  If 1.Rd1, then 1...bxc2 and 2...Rb8.  If 1.c3, then 1...Rd3.
ivandh

I think a draw is a good move here. Like Fromper said, you might learn something, but in this game there is no advantage for either side to milk into a victory. To try for a win in games like this one would be more of an endurance contest to see who can go the longest without making a big mistake.


TonightOnly
I think you should have just played Re1 and hoped for the best.
God_of_hellfire
Ray_Brooks wrote:  What made you think that there was more for you here?

Ray, I didn't think there was more for me. In fact I was convinced I would lose and so happy to draw.  My intention of posting the game was to see if anybody thinks there is any hope for white and if so, how? 

Thanks for the feedback though.


God_of_hellfire
tonightonly7 wrote: I think you should have just played Re1 and hoped for the best.

I'm white, it's my move if I move Re1 then black would just take Re1 and that would be checkmate to black?!!


Ray_Brooks

There is hope for white..to draw. Rook and pawn endings are difficult to win, many are still drawn a pawn up, and rarely two pawns up.

 


TheRealThreat
I don't think this is a draw. I believe black is better. Asking for draw is smart here.
CrazyKnights
I don't see any hope of winning for white unless black blunders (which is not at all uncommon)... in the given situation though, c4 seems to be your best bet but even with that, black is definitely superior and well placed to strengthen the position even further.
BlueKnightShade

If white asked for a draw then it should be black's turn to move actually. What I mean is that the right way to make a draw offer is to move and then offer a draw. It is actually a bit unfair to not move and then aks for a draw.

Anyway I agree with others that said that black has the better position, but probably not enough to play for a win. I suppose that endgame experts are needed to evaluate that.

I have a book with positions that looks very much like drawn positions and your task is to find the winning plan. So it is not problems with a winning combination or mate in x moves or something of that nature, it is problems where you need to find a winning plan. Thus you know that those positions do contain a winning plan. All the positions are from real games, and the players that played them didn't have that knowledge until they carried out the plan and succeeded.

So does the position in this topic have a winning plan for black? Black didn't see one so he agreed to a draw. That makes sense. No reason to try to prove something that you don't know how to.