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Dec 5, 2024
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Yes. 11..Qxd1 would have been much better than 11..Qe8.
Fortunately for you, Isabel doesn't know how to win piece up endgames.
...Why?
Dec 5, 2024
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Randomdude588 wrote:
...Why?
If you run down the moves of the analysis, it shows that the resulting position from the queen sac ending up with powerful doubled rooks and bishops raking the board .
That is judged far better than the position resulting from retreating the queen.
txc2004 wrote:
You must understand is not easy every time a human to understand what engine says. That because engines start the search from depth 1 and as not find any good move go deeper and deeper until reach the limit user has set.
I help you again here because it is very difficult position, its sure more than master level and even gm level! With little words you gain again the queen back on move 19!
Also you must try alone as the justbefair and other people on previous thread to go and check one by one the moves engine show to you, to try to figure out what engine try to tell you. So to learn to read the engines. And to learn Chess and to learn to read engines need time, very long time... And of course when you need help continue ask on forums.
Now the position as you play: white is +3 eval and +2 on material and with retreating the queen white goes +4.2 eval and +3 on material, gain on more pawn and cramp your position...
Now the position as engine suggest: at the end you take white queen back, you "take" the pawn back and white is +3 eval and +2 material.
Note, the evaluation and moves is my engine suggest, also that is one way the game continues after move 11, may exist more.
So, if I understand this correctly, it's good because it gives white the advantage 10 moves later? That's something that maybe could be explained better (though obviously not every move can be given a description). Thanks for the explanation, and thanks for your explanation too justbefair.
I meant to say black gained the advantage in 10 moves oops.
Randomdude588 wrote:
I meant to say black gained the advantage in 10 moves oops.
No. Black is down a piece to begin with, and will have a losing position no matter what. The only question is how much losing.
Sacking the queen at least gives counterplay, and white's pieces are tied down on the back rank. In the other line however (Qe8) black is still down a piece and has no compensation. That's worse.
Makes sense, although I guess you would have to play pretty well for that to be a good move. Although like I saw someone quoting Gothamchess, game analysis is stockfish vs. stockfish
Randomdude588 wrote:
Makes sense, although I guess you would have to play pretty well for that to be a good move. Although like I saw someone quoting Gothamchess, game analysis is stockfish vs. stockfish
Quite the opposite. The position after the queen sac is not only theoretically better, it's also easier to play. At least you have active pieces and the initiative. The other, passive line offers nothing, you are just suffering without hope and down a piece.