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Jan 17, 2008
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But, if you want to know about lines to "worry about" against the sicilian then maybe sometime later we can go through some stuff when we are both online. Been a while since I have played against it. But, I think I could give you some ideas.
yeah, 1...c5 wasnt played so i dont get how thats the grand prix attack. Nc3, e4 and f4 are grand prix moves but against 1...e5 erikido23 is right, its a vienna game.
I'm not seeing anything Sicilan here
This was vienna not sicilian
Sorry I got the wrong game. Its because I play a lot of Vienna games
Jan 17, 2008
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#8
That's not really a Grand Prix either. 1. e4 c5 2. f4 or 1. e4 c5 2. Nc3 Nc6 3. f4 would be a Grand Prix. The first move order is the original but the second is probably slightly better.
Jan 17, 2008
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#9
mxdplay4 wrote: Sorry I got the wrong game. Its because I play a lot of Vienna games
That looks MORE like a grand prix but as sharuk said it still really isn't. You are looking more at an anti sicilian. Is b-b really what you are looking for the bishop goes to c5 most of the time in the grand prix.
Point taken. I have something on this, though, that gives Nc3 as a way of avoiding 2. f4 d5 and has f4 as move 6. That is classed as Grand Prix attack also. As a general point, I get very good results with the Vienna, and also against the French with Nd2 and f4. Is there any literature that deals with the idea of f4 attacks against black defences to e4? They seem to be not bad overall (Kings Gambit, Austrian Attack etc.) I dont know of such a book and on the face of it they should (sticking my neck out!) give similar pattern types which would suit an attacking player. Thanks
Jan 17, 2008
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#11
mxdplay4 wrote: Point taken. I have something on this, though, that gives Nc3 as a way of avoiding 2. f4 d5 and has f4 as move 6. That is classed as Grand Prix attack also. As a general point, I get very good results with the Vienna, and also against the French with Nd2 and f4. Is there any literature that deals with the idea of f4 attacks against black defences to e4? They seem to be not bad overall (Kings Gambit, Austrian Attack etc.) I dont know of such a book and on the face of it they should (sticking my neck out!) give similar pattern types which would suit an attacking player. Thanks
The vienna game by gregory huber through chess base is GREAT. Covers, c23-c29 and there are some great vicious attacks. Look at my post that I made...Just seeing if I can post a game right. There is some(scattered, but good if you can sort through it) good analysis of a particular bishops opening line.
Jan 17, 2008
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#12
erikido23 wrote: mxdplay4 wrote: Point taken. I have something on this, though, that gives Nc3 as a way of avoiding 2. f4 d5 and has f4 as move 6. That is classed as Grand Prix attack also. As a general point, I get very good results with the Vienna, and also against the French with Nd2 and f4. Is there any literature that deals with the idea of f4 attacks against black defences to e4? They seem to be not bad overall (Kings Gambit, Austrian Attack etc.) I dont know of such a book and on the face of it they should (sticking my neck out!) give similar pattern types which would suit an attacking player. Thanks
The vienna game by gregory huber through chess base is GREAT. Covers, c23-c29 and there are some great vicious attacks. Look at my post that I made...Just seeing if I can post a game right. There is some(scattered, but good if you can sort through it) good analysis of a particular bishops opening line.
http://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-openings/just-seeing-if-i-can-post-a-game-correctly This is the thread. I don't play them all the way out to the mate. But, it seems to be forced mate after n-f2
Jan 17, 2008
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#13
mxdplay4 wrote: Point taken. I have something on this, though, that gives Nc3 as a way of avoiding 2. f4 d5 and has f4 as move 6. That is classed as Grand Prix attack also. As a general point, I get very good results with the Vienna, and also against the French with Nd2 and f4. Is there any literature that deals with the idea of f4 attacks against black defences to e4? They seem to be not bad overall (Kings Gambit, Austrian Attack etc.) I dont know of such a book and on the face of it they should (sticking my neck out!) give similar pattern types which would suit an attacking player. Thanks
You might like to try the King's Indian Attack against black replies to 1. e4 other than e5. That often involves f4 at some stage despite white playing Nf3 early on. The KIA can be played as either an antidote to non-e5 replies to e4 (it is particularly good against the French and e6 Sicilians) or playing 1. Nf3. There is a book on the subject by John Emms called Starting out: King's indian attack.
Jan 17, 2008
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#15
erikido23 wrote: mxdplay4 wrote: Point taken. I have something on this, though, that gives Nc3 as a way of avoiding 2. f4 d5 and has f4 as move 6. That is classed as Grand Prix attack also. As a general point, I get very good results with the Vienna, and also against the French with Nd2 and f4. Is there any literature that deals with the idea of f4 attacks against black defences to e4? They seem to be not bad overall (Kings Gambit, Austrian Attack etc.) I dont know of such a book and on the face of it they should (sticking my neck out!) give similar pattern types which would suit an attacking player. Thanks
The vienna game by gregory huber through chess base is GREAT. Covers, c23-c29 and there are some great vicious attacks. Look at my post that I made...Just seeing if I can post a game right. There is some(scattered, but good if you can sort through it) good analysis of a particular bishops opening line.
Oops, thought that said after 1. e5. Oh well. As for against other opeings the kia would be a good idea.
dont play KIA... boring ol rubbish! Spot beginners off a mile away when they play KIA, it shows they have limited opening knowledge. I know, because i used to use it when i had no theory on my side.
Jan 17, 2008
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#17
Graw81 wrote: dont play KIA... boring ol rubbish! Spot beginners off a mile away when they play KIA, it shows they have limited opening knowledge. I know, because i used to use it when i had no theory on my side.
Well thanks for enhancing this thread with your useless comment.
I've always disliked playing against the sicilian defence and have seen a lot of posts favouring the Grand Prix against it for white and black players saying they don't like it. From my first go at it, without knowing much theory, I think it is pretty straightforward. Obviously, my opponent didn't play the best moves. I am particularly interested in comments from black players who might know some better lines for black I should know about. Specific lines welcome!