theswooze wrote:
doubtful.
You can doubt all you want. Doesn't change the facts.
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May 12, 2024
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#43
theswooze wrote:
Martin_Stahl wrote:
theswooze wrote:
doubtful.
You can doubt all you want. Doesn't change the facts.
OK, martin. prove it. i see people on here claiming some of the games they are playing are against bots, not actual users. you always come to the defense of chess.com on these posts and state matter of factly that the site doesnt use bots this way. so prove it. obviously, you THINK you know. but HOW do you know? are you a chess.com programmer? no. you are not even a chess.com employee. how could you possibly have any insight into this matter beyond what chess.com employees tell you? sadly, the answer is 'you dont.' you are simply relying on what empolyees are telling you. and you are simply to naive to recognize that they may or may not be telling you the truth. at the end of the day, you don't have a single ounce of insight regarding this matter than i do. we are both outsiders looking in. but you cant seem to grasp that.
are you referring to the one troll forum about the one guy (who may or may not have psychosis) saying "ELO gatekeepers" are keeping him at 400 when "he is actually a FM getting his last 2 GM norms"
May 12, 2024
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#44
theswooze wrote:
Martin_Stahl wrote:
theswooze wrote:
doubtful.
You can doubt all you want. Doesn't change the facts.
OK, martin. prove it. i see people on here claiming some of the games they are playing are against bots, not actual users. you always come to the defense of chess.com on these posts and state matter of factly that the site doesnt use bots this way. so prove it. obviously, you THINK you know. but HOW do you know? are you a chess.com programmer? no. you are not even a chess.com employee. how could you possibly have any insight into this matter beyond what chess.com employees tell you? sadly, the answer is 'you dont.' you are simply relying on what empolyees are telling you. and you are simply to naive to recognize that they may or may not be telling you the truth. at the end of the day, you don't have a single ounce of insight regarding this matter than i do. we are both outsiders looking in. but you cant seem to grasp that.
Staff have said they don't use bots in the player pools and went so far as to completely remove the bot options from Play to their own section. We've had this discussion before; it doesn't matter what anyone says, staff directly or not; those that believe that the site uses bots won't be dissuaded. It's an unwinnable argument ultimately.
I have seen a lot of staff discussions about various parts of the site and I trust that when staff say they aren't using bots in the random pools to play games, I believe it. My dealings with staff have given me zero reason to believe otherwise and conspiracy theories aren't helpful.
May 12, 2024
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#45
theswooze wrote:
szlenith wrote:
theswooze wrote:
szlenith wrote:
Are you guys doing math or m#th?, YOU bought the subscription, YOU AGREED to the payment amount, you can't go and have a baby fit when it goes on sale to attract more people to the game, you are going in and feeling "entitled" to benefits that are offered to newcomers, also I was appalled at the disrespect towards @Martin_Stahl you guys should be grateful that he is always there to help, he does a lot more then you think, he has helped me and many many others, if you are going to complain then at least have some decency.ba
to be clear, i couldn't care less what chess.com does with their pricing for existing or new members. their subscription rate, when annualized, is not worth getting in a snit about. having said that, i challenge you to name just one thing that @martin_stahl has ever done for you that you couldnt have done yourself--or for that matter, that a weed smoking monkey couldnt have done for you, given the opportunity. i read alot of his comments. other than being a total apologist for chess.com, i am unable to see any value he might bring to the broader membership. so enlighten me. what has martin done for you????
Id'e rather not split hairs with you, I CHALLENGE YOU to say what you have done for anyone on this site, if you can't then leave
what in the holy hell are you talking about????? this isnt about me. i never claimed to have done anything for anyone on this site. YOU claimed that martinstahl had. so prove it. and you dont get the privilege of telling other users when they can or cannot leave.
If you don't help anyone on the site, who are you to criticize those who spend their effort and time for that very purpose?
May 12, 2024
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#46
Lightpulsar wrote:
Are they seriously giving 50% off on memberships to everybody but the already paying members who support their platform all these years? This is outrageous, what a stab in the back
It's easier to come to terms with it once you realize that their goal is not to make you happy, it is to make their investors happy. Catering to your feelings only makes sense if it improves their bottom line. If it doesn't, don't expect much. That's how the real world works, it sucks, but that's what it is. Luckily, in case of chess.com, it is just about making you pay more for your premium membership and not about screwing up the planet and everyone on it.
May 12, 2024
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#47
theswooze wrote:
szlenith wrote:
theswooze wrote:
szlenith wrote:
theswooze wrote:
szlenith wrote:
Are you guys doing math or m#th?, YOU bought the subscription, YOU AGREED to the payment amount, you can't go and have a baby fit when it goes on sale to attract more people to the game, you are going in and feeling "entitled" to benefits that are offered to newcomers, also I was appalled at the disrespect towards @Martin_Stahl you guys should be grateful that he is always there to help, he does a lot more then you think, he has helped me and many many others, if you are going to complain then at least have some decency.ba
to be clear, i couldn't care less what chess.com does with their pricing for existing or new members. their subscription rate, when annualized, is not worth getting in a snit about. having said that, i challenge you to name just one thing that @martin_stahl has ever done for you that you couldnt have done yourself--or for that matter, that a weed smoking monkey couldnt have done for you, given the opportunity. i read alot of his comments. other than being a total apologist for chess.com, i am unable to see any value he might bring to the broader membership. so enlighten me. what has martin done for you????
Id'e rather not split hairs with you, I CHALLENGE YOU to say what you have done for anyone on this site, if you can't then leave
what in the holy hell are you talking about????? this isnt about me. i never claimed to have done anything for anyone on this site. YOU claimed that martinstahl had. so prove it. and you dont get the privilege of telling other users when they can or cannot leave.
If you don't help anyone on the site, who are you to criticize those who spend their effort and time for that very purpose?
are you serious? there isnt a shred of logic in your post. perhaps i am interacting with a child???
perhaps your old slow brain didn't read that correctly, let me put it so you can easily understand, if YOU don't do anything but complain about people who do a job that supposedly "a monkey" could do, why don't you do it yourself, if not who are you to criticize him?
bobby_max wrote:
I just want to thank the OP for basically drawing a road map to the discount. Even though he is having a meltdown over this, he did save me 50% on my shiny new membership.
Meltdown 
What are you smoking brother
May 13, 2024
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#49
theswooze wrote:
OK. as i reread this post, you are basically admitting that i am 100% correct--you are simply going by what chess.com employees tell you and you just trust them. you have no direct knowledge about the topic. thanks for the clarification!!!
You may feel that staff statements are not to believed and that's on you. After years of seeing and being in discussions with staff, I have a level of trust in what I have seen happen and have read (which is much more than any direct questions and answers).
May 13, 2024
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#50
theswooze wrote:
Martin_Stahl wrote:
theswooze wrote:
doubtful.
You can doubt all you want. Doesn't change the facts.
OK, martin. prove it. i see people on here claiming some of the games they are playing are against bots, not actual users. you always come to the defense of chess.com on these posts and state matter of factly that the site doesnt use bots this way. so prove it. obviously, you THINK you know. but HOW do you know?
*sigh* I posted in a couple of other threads some of the interviews that Chess.com CEO Erik Allebest has been doing in the last 12 months.
Here's where he talks about how a new person who wins their first game is x4 more likely to stay than someone who loses their first game
The incentive is to have bots in the playing pool that people can beat: ironically when people complain about opponents they believe are bots, it's not because they're beating them: it's because they're losing.
But Erik is very clear there that it would not be moral to have bots in the playing pool pretending to be people and that they try to encourage those new players to play against the bots, to get that win that will help them feel good without having to manipulate or deceive them about a game they play against another member.
Martin knows this about the site - he's got relationships with the people behind the scenes and he understands the above very well, because he's interacted with them, he's been here for ages, he's been a moderator for ages, so when he says that Chess.com doesn't use bots in this way, it's on the basis of that experience and what they do say about the site and the sort of people they have shown themselves to be to him.
That's not knowing what the developers are putting into the code, which seems to be the level of "proof" that you are demanding: but it's seeing what makes sense and what is just people's far too common paranoia and dislike of losing (shortly after that part in the same interview, Erik has a really interesting discussion about how people feel the pain of their losses more keenly than the joy of their wins, so that in Puzzle Rush, people need to be solving about 80% of their puzzles before they feel like they're losing on about half of them).
May 13, 2024
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#51
theswooze wrote:
i challenge you to name just one thing that @martin_stahl has ever done for you that you couldnt have done yourself--or for that matter, that a weed smoking monkey couldnt have done for you, given the opportunity. i read alot of his comments. other than being a total apologist for chess.com, i am unable to see any value he might bring to the broader membership. so enlighten me. what has martin done for you????
He brings far more value than anything you've ever posted - you seem solely interested in attacking him.
And you seem to be missing one of the points is that sometimes people do just need to be directed to resources that they could indeed find for themselves. They're not doing that - maybe they just don't know their way around the site - helping them find something that they could have found themselves is not "useless", it's actually helping them learn how to find things. And he does so in a super polite way rather than calling them names and making them feel stupid. Some examples? Just look at the posts in the Help & Support forum and the number of time Martin gives them an answer or tries to help them:
- https://www.chess.com/forum/view/help-support/how-to-make-illegal-moves-and-play-by-my-self
- https://www.chess.com/forum/view/help-support/how-do-i-find-the-achievements
- https://www.chess.com/forum/view/help-support/cant-login-to-chess-com-app
- https://www.chess.com/forum/view/help-support/can-i-advertise-my-youtube-channel-in-chess-com-messages?page=2
- https://www.chess.com/forum/view/help-support/piece-moved-by-itself
- https://www.chess.com/forum/view/help-support/student-account-creations
- https://www.chess.com/forum/view/help-support/statistics-dont-match-1 (hey look - someone actually came back and thanked Martin, although I don't know if Martin actually did anything himself or just in contact with someone who could. Or maybe knew that the problem would sort itself out after a short while)
- https://www.chess.com/forum/view/help-support/refunds-and-accidental-purchases
- https://www.chess.com/forum/view/help-support/bots-issue (someone else who has thanked Martin for his advice about installing on the Android app)
- https://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/chesscom-login?page=10
- https://www.chess.com/forum/view/help-support/what-happens-when-you-close-your-account
- https://www.chess.com/forum/view/help-support/chess-com-bug-7
- https://www.chess.com/forum/view/help-support/disable-animations
- https://www.chess.com/forum/view/help-support/chess-mobile-app-not-working
14/19 of the posts on the first page of the Help & Support forum has an attempt by Martin to assist them - all of those threads not more than 1 day old. That's 73%.
How many times has someone thanked you on here for something you've helped them with? I eagerly await a link. Frankly I think you're a drag on the site and the community and not worth the subscription, so if it were up to me, I'd refund you the whole amount of your diamond membership and kick you out. Guess what? Chess.com and its mods are way more tolerant than I am and you're still here.
May 13, 2024
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#52
theswooze wrote:.
OK so basically you are in the same boat as martin. do you have anything to go on that is based on facts instead of feelings?
If the commentary by @erik in the attached video isn't enough to explain it, then there's absolutely nothing anyone can say to to answer that would be sufficient. 
May 13, 2024
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#53
theswooze wrote:
you are off-point yet again, martin. anyone with even half a brain in their head would recognize @eric as a chess.com insider--unlike you or me.
but whereas you have already admitted in your post #57 that you have no direct knowledge and simply take chess.com insiders at their word, i consider this matter closed. frankly, i find it curious that you would so voraciously defend chess.com after you have made this admission. it makes you look pretty silly.
So the CEO basically saying that using bots in the random pools isn't something they do isn't enough proof because he's an insider but only an insider can know for sure. And I'm looking silly? 🤔
May 13, 2024
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#54
So, because some CEOs are dishonest, all CEOs are dishonest? 🤔
That kind of outlook on life seems exhausting. Everything I have seen by @erik, in video, forum posts, and direct interaction leads me to believe he is very honest in his dealings. Could I be wrong? Yes, but don't feel my belief is unwarranted in the slightest.
Being a private company, the back-end code isn't going to be made available in the open, so you are correct, that ultimately there's no way to prove it, especially when one just completely disregards anything staff say out of hand. But I've already mentioned that so ...
May 13, 2024
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#55
theswooze wrote:
... i specifically said in my comment "am i saying the ceo of chess.com is lying? not at all." how on earth could you miss this??? ive never met @eric and frankly i couldnt pull him out of a police lineup if my life were on the line. i have no idea if the guy is lying about this or not and the fact of the matter is that i dont really care. and do you know who else doesnt know if he is lying? YOU! now its true that private companies are, generally, not going to share their source code, but you miss the point YET AGAIN! my point is really very simple. ...
You certainly imply it ...
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May 15, 2024
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#59
ive been trying to fimd this discount but maybe it total bull rubbish....why direct us to a page where there is no obvious place to claim the discount you have non stop bombarded me with.....no one has responded to email enquiries. no phone number to ring.....and a rating system that IS UNDER A HUGE CLOUD when you get players rated 200 WHO ARE UNBEATABLE......
Are you guys doing math or m#th?, YOU bought the subscription, YOU AGREED to the payment amount, you can't go and have a baby fit when it goes on sale to attract more people to the game, you are going in and feeling "entitled" to benefits that are offered to newcomers, also I was appalled at the disrespect towards @Martin_Stahl you guys should be grateful that he is always there to help, he does a lot more then you think, he has helped me and many many others, if you are going to complain then at least have some decency.ba
to be clear, i couldn't care less what chess.com does with their pricing for existing or new members. their subscription rate, when annualized, is not worth getting in a snit about. having said that, i challenge you to name just one thing that @martin_stahl has ever done for you that you couldnt have done yourself--or for that matter, that a weed smoking monkey couldnt have done for you, given the opportunity. i read alot of his comments. other than being a total apologist for chess.com, i am unable to see any value he might bring to the broader membership. so enlighten me. what has martin done for you????
Id'e rather not split hairs with you, I CHALLENGE YOU to say what you have done for anyone on this site, if you can't then leave