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SmyslovFan

Kasparov has been described as a shark and one of the most intimidating presences ever at a chess board.

Carlsen’s intimidation comes from his results and determination rather than his board presence.

 

But one thing that most amateurs miss about Carlsen is his brutality against players rated +100 points lower than himself. Carlsen will play any opening and play to blow the opponent off the board in 30 moves or less if he doesn’t respect them. And he usually succeeds!

Fischer never faced opponents who are as well prepared as today’s best players. He never faced a murderer’s row of opponents all rated above 2725. Carlsen has faced the very best and has now won eight tournaments in a row against these great players.

 

This is unprecedented.

gingerninja2003
SmyslovFan wrote:

Kasparov has been described as a shark and one of the most intimidating presences ever at a chess board.

Carlsen’s intimidation comes from his results and determination rather than his board presence.

 

But one thing that most amateurs miss about Carlsen is his brutality against players rated +100 points lower than himself. Carlsen will play any opening and play to blow the opponent off the board in 30 moves or less if he doesn’t respect them. And he usually succeeds!

Fischer never faced opponents who are as well prepared as today’s best players. He never faced a murderer’s row of opponents all rated above 2725. Carlsen has faced the very best and has now won eight tournaments in a row against these great players.

 

This is unprecedented.

Agree.

Even when people are playing against him, it must be slightly worrying as there is a very high chance of loss even if you play well. His wins against MVL and Ding Liren were especially impressive despite the lack of fireworks.

Also his win vs Giri in 23 moves was shocking as miniatures are very rare these days at top level.  

If Carlsen continues with this streak he will have a strong chance of breaking 2900 (although this is very difficult even in his current form.)

I heard somewhere that Kasparov had a tournament streak of about 20, but i'm not sure i'm correct.

 

Asparagusic_acids

Magnus learned from Fisher and all past greats fisher did not learn from greats who came after him so carlsen is stronger

Elroch
darwinwasright wrote:

i think mike tyson would beat both carlsen and fischer

Yeah, but he'd get disqualified and be awarded a technical loss.

Elroch

Carlsen achieved a 2943 performance in Zagreb and returned to his highest rating of 2882.

(In the same tournament Wesley So had  a 2881 rating performance, which must be one of the highest tournament performances without coming first).

gingerninja2003
Elroch wrote:
darwinwasright wrote:

i think mike tyson would beat both carlsen and fischer

Yeah, but he'd get disqualified and be awarded a technical loss.

Probably because they have very tasty ears.

SmyslovFan
Elroch wrote:

Carlsen achieved a 2943 performance in Zagreb and returned to his highest rating of 2882.

(In the same tournament Wesley So had  a 2881 rating performance, which must be one of the highest tournament performances without coming first).

Put another way, the second place performance was lower than Carlsen's overall rating! 

Elroch

congrandolor

fabehalf, maybe you are right, but saying that Fischer lost his match vs Reshevsky is a lie. They finished tied: +2 -2 =7

congrandolor

Just like Carlsen tied his last two matches vs Karjakin and Caruana

congrandolor

«Fischer never faced such strong opponents as Carlsen has» ok, but Carlsen never faced the whole elite as he did in 1972. Imagine Caruana being Carlsen's opponent and Ding, Nepo, Naka, Giri, Kramnik, Grischuk and Aronian being part of his team.

ChessieSystem101

Agreed. Fischer was facing the Soviet chess empire. Not only was he good, he had lots of pressure, not the stuff like Magnus faces. Im not saying Magnus doesnt face pressure, but Fischer could very well get assasinated. Fischer's life was chess. He clearly had a disorder, but his life was chess. Magnus's life isnt chess. He does other things, but Fischers life was literally all chess.

Prometheus_Fuschs
pfren escribió:

Carlsen is the least computer dependent top player currently (together with Peter Svidler). He is the world's #1 simply because of his phenomenal positional understanding, and awesome fighting spirit.

IMO he has the potential (provided that he will work a bit on his soft spot, which surely enough is the opening preparation) to be the first one to come close to the 2900 ELO barrier.

Svidler too. He probably has an IQ around 200 or so, plays stunning chess (no need for advertisement- his SIX wins in the Russian individual championship speak volumes about his skill), but IMO he is a bit old to cure his almost pathological laziness.

I feel that if we could transport Fisher of the early seventies to our era, and settle a match against Carlsen, or Svidler in Fisher Chess/Chess960 (no opening theory involved) he would lose quite easily.

200 IQ? LOL

Prometheus_Fuschs
Polar_Bear escribió:

The core of the original work itself isn't pseudoscience, but conclusion is. Reasons have been already written here.

And people think good chess players are smart :/

Prometheus_Fuschs
fabelhaft escribió:

"from Blackburne to Carlsen, players have been playing the same game. So no change at all"

 

Hard to argue against that statement :-)

That's debatable, in the (very) old days there was no time control, also, drawing rules have changed over time, mainly the 50 move rule.

SmyslovFan
congrandolor wrote:

fabehalf, maybe you are right, but saying that Fischer lost his match vs Reshevsky is a lie. They finished tied: +2 -2 =7

Fischer abandoned the match.

gingerninja2003
jethro67_arg wrote:

fischer!!!!!

Based on???

Prometheus_Fuschs

It's awesome to see Capablanca so ahead of his time.

Elroch

That table must be old: there are only a small number of games for Carlsen. But I see only a fraction of Fischer's games are used too.

gingerninja2003
Elroch wrote:

That table must be old: there are only a small number of games for Carlsen. But I see only a fraction of Fischer's games are used too.

True, it is odd that Tal is ahead of Spassky Smyslov and Botvinnik. Considering that Tal's style isn't exactly engine friendly. And Euwe ahead of Alekhine and more shockingly Petrosian, cannot be accurate.