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BigChessplayer665
basketstorm wrote:
PlayerIDC wrote:

Bro I know you are angry abou elo rating being oppressive, but to be honest, what do you think chess.com will do? I feel like chess.com won't really do much since it's their site and they're not gonna change the elo to a better and unoppressed elo rating. What do you even mean the chess elo being oppressive? I don't see anyone describing chess elo as oppressive or something similar to that. Anyway I don't really care about this chess elo not being really good what do you want me to do, and all this yapping isn't even gonna improve the situation.

Yapping is what you're doing. There are few simple steps that can be done to improve the situation with ratings. I commented in other topic, copying here:

They can't break through the low Elo barrier because many low Elo players are highly skilled and they keep each other down. Like if 90% of 200 Elo players are as strong as 1000 Elo, they will be paired against each other and winratio will be 50% so their rating will not change. (sure 5% are truly 200, but another 5% is say 1200 who climb to their unwanted destination - 300 where other 1200s are crumpled). This is just an example, proportions could be different, but when there's not enough crossplay and when initial rating is inherently inaccurate such situations are unavoidable. This is called a localized pool. To remove such pools chess.com needs to conduct mandatory pool-joining tournaments and do hard recalculation with reassignments of ratings. This was described in Arpad Elo (creator of Elo system) book, I'm not making things up. And to prevent such pools, you need to stop rating people right from the start and stop them from affecting rating of others. First they must play a considerable amount of games (like 50 maybe) against players who have a well established rating, then they can receive their initial rating (not like now - you say you're beginner, advanced etc during registration and you get rated immediately and you then affect ratings of everyone - that's crazy). And you should not allow tight matchmaking, must be something random within wide range like +/- 200 Elo to ensure good cross-play, yes that would be predictable win/loss but this is necessary to avoid localized distortions.

No offense but you usually can't break through the bairrer cause you suck(not that 600s are that bad) 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Buddy your victim blaming lol

Goofy

HangingPiecesChomper

i'm fairly convinced by his arguments

XPGK99
BigChessplayer665 wrote:
PlayerIDC wrote:
basketstorm wrote:
PlayerIDC wrote:

Bro I know you are angry abou elo rating being oppressive, but to be honest, what do you think chess.com will do? I feel like chess.com won't really do much since it's their site and they're not gonna change the elo to a better and unoppressed elo rating. What do you even mean the chess elo being oppressive? I don't see anyone describing chess elo as oppressive or something similar to that. Anyway I don't really care about this chess elo not being really good what do you want me to do, and all this yapping isn't even gonna improve the situation.

Yapping is what you're doing. There are few simple steps that can be done to improve the situation with ratings. I commented in other topic, copying here:

They can't break through the low Elo barrier because many low Elo players are highly skilled and they keep each other down. Like if 90% of 200 Elo players are as strong as 1000 Elo, they will be paired against each other and winratio will be 50% so their rating will not change. (sure 5% are truly 200, but another 5% is say 1200 who climb to their unwanted destination - 300 where other 1200s are crumpled). This is just an example, proportions could be different, but when there's not enough crossplay and when initial rating is inherently inaccurate such situations are unavoidable. This is called a localized pool. To remove such pools chess.com needs to conduct mandatory pool-joining tournaments and do hard recalculation with reassignments of ratings. This was described in Arpad Elo (creator of Elo system) book, I'm not making things up. And to prevent such pools, you need to stop rating people right from the start and stop them from affecting rating of others. First they must play a considerable amount of games (like 50 maybe) against players who have a well established rating, then they can receive their initial rating (not like now - you say you're beginner, advanced etc during registration and you get rated immediately and you then affect ratings of everyone - that's crazy). And you should not allow tight matchmaking, must be something random within wide range like +/- 200 Elo to ensure good cross-play, yes that would be predictable win/loss but this is necessary to avoid localized distortions.

I wasn't even accusing you of yapping, but you know what, I'm not old enough to be involved in this and just stayed quiet. Have fun checking elo ratings being oppressive I guess.

Basket is just a janko alt

Janko is probably barely even 25

I don't think so because basket is always trying to start an argument with me and claims Kramnik doesn't accuse people of cheating whereas Janko just wants chess to be fairer even if he is a little extreme.

BigChessplayer665
XPGK99 wrote:
BigChessplayer665 wrote:
PlayerIDC wrote:
basketstorm wrote:
PlayerIDC wrote:

Bro I know you are angry abou elo rating being oppressive, but to be honest, what do you think chess.com will do? I feel like chess.com won't really do much since it's their site and they're not gonna change the elo to a better and unoppressed elo rating. What do you even mean the chess elo being oppressive? I don't see anyone describing chess elo as oppressive or something similar to that. Anyway I don't really care about this chess elo not being really good what do you want me to do, and all this yapping isn't even gonna improve the situation.

Yapping is what you're doing. There are few simple steps that can be done to improve the situation with ratings. I commented in other topic, copying here:

They can't break through the low Elo barrier because many low Elo players are highly skilled and they keep each other down. Like if 90% of 200 Elo players are as strong as 1000 Elo, they will be paired against each other and winratio will be 50% so their rating will not change. (sure 5% are truly 200, but another 5% is say 1200 who climb to their unwanted destination - 300 where other 1200s are crumpled). This is just an example, proportions could be different, but when there's not enough crossplay and when initial rating is inherently inaccurate such situations are unavoidable. This is called a localized pool. To remove such pools chess.com needs to conduct mandatory pool-joining tournaments and do hard recalculation with reassignments of ratings. This was described in Arpad Elo (creator of Elo system) book, I'm not making things up. And to prevent such pools, you need to stop rating people right from the start and stop them from affecting rating of others. First they must play a considerable amount of games (like 50 maybe) against players who have a well established rating, then they can receive their initial rating (not like now - you say you're beginner, advanced etc during registration and you get rated immediately and you then affect ratings of everyone - that's crazy). And you should not allow tight matchmaking, must be something random within wide range like +/- 200 Elo to ensure good cross-play, yes that would be predictable win/loss but this is necessary to avoid localized distortions.

I wasn't even accusing you of yapping, but you know what, I'm not old enough to be involved in this and just stayed quiet. Have fun checking elo ratings being oppressive I guess.

Basket is just a janko alt

Janko is probably barely even 25

I don't think so because basket is always trying to start an argument with me and claims Kramnik doesn't accuse people of cheating whereas Janko just wants chess to be fairer even if he is a little extreme.

He had the same profile picture (ai generated ) that janko had about a month ago or even earlier(when he first created the account)

basketstorm
BigChessplayer665 wrote:
XPGK99 wrote:
BigChessplayer665 wrote:
PlayerIDC wrote:
basketstorm wrote:
PlayerIDC wrote:

Bro I know you are angry abou elo rating being oppressive, but to be honest, what do you think chess.com will do? I feel like chess.com won't really do much since it's their site and they're not gonna change the elo to a better and unoppressed elo rating. What do you even mean the chess elo being oppressive? I don't see anyone describing chess elo as oppressive or something similar to that. Anyway I don't really care about this chess elo not being really good what do you want me to do, and all this yapping isn't even gonna improve the situation.

Yapping is what you're doing. There are few simple steps that can be done to improve the situation with ratings. I commented in other topic, copying here:

They can't break through the low Elo barrier because many low Elo players are highly skilled and they keep each other down. Like if 90% of 200 Elo players are as strong as 1000 Elo, they will be paired against each other and winratio will be 50% so their rating will not change. (sure 5% are truly 200, but another 5% is say 1200 who climb to their unwanted destination - 300 where other 1200s are crumpled). This is just an example, proportions could be different, but when there's not enough crossplay and when initial rating is inherently inaccurate such situations are unavoidable. This is called a localized pool. To remove such pools chess.com needs to conduct mandatory pool-joining tournaments and do hard recalculation with reassignments of ratings. This was described in Arpad Elo (creator of Elo system) book, I'm not making things up. And to prevent such pools, you need to stop rating people right from the start and stop them from affecting rating of others. First they must play a considerable amount of games (like 50 maybe) against players who have a well established rating, then they can receive their initial rating (not like now - you say you're beginner, advanced etc during registration and you get rated immediately and you then affect ratings of everyone - that's crazy). And you should not allow tight matchmaking, must be something random within wide range like +/- 200 Elo to ensure good cross-play, yes that would be predictable win/loss but this is necessary to avoid localized distortions.

I wasn't even accusing you of yapping, but you know what, I'm not old enough to be involved in this and just stayed quiet. Have fun checking elo ratings being oppressive I guess.

Basket is just a janko alt

Janko is probably barely even 25

I don't think so because basket is always trying to start an argument with me and claims Kramnik doesn't accuse people of cheating whereas Janko just wants chess to be fairer even if he is a little extreme.

He had the same profile picture (ai generated ) that janko had about a month ago or even earlier(when he first created the account)

My style and ideas are completely different. No similarities at all. Your conspiracy theory is concerning, are you ok?

BigChessplayer665
basketstorm wrote:
BigChessplayer665 wrote:
XPGK99 wrote:
BigChessplayer665 wrote:
PlayerIDC wrote:
basketstorm wrote:
PlayerIDC wrote:

Bro I know you are angry abou elo rating being oppressive, but to be honest, what do you think chess.com will do? I feel like chess.com won't really do much since it's their site and they're not gonna change the elo to a better and unoppressed elo rating. What do you even mean the chess elo being oppressive? I don't see anyone describing chess elo as oppressive or something similar to that. Anyway I don't really care about this chess elo not being really good what do you want me to do, and all this yapping isn't even gonna improve the situation.

Yapping is what you're doing. There are few simple steps that can be done to improve the situation with ratings. I commented in other topic, copying here:

They can't break through the low Elo barrier because many low Elo players are highly skilled and they keep each other down. Like if 90% of 200 Elo players are as strong as 1000 Elo, they will be paired against each other and winratio will be 50% so their rating will not change. (sure 5% are truly 200, but another 5% is say 1200 who climb to their unwanted destination - 300 where other 1200s are crumpled). This is just an example, proportions could be different, but when there's not enough crossplay and when initial rating is inherently inaccurate such situations are unavoidable. This is called a localized pool. To remove such pools chess.com needs to conduct mandatory pool-joining tournaments and do hard recalculation with reassignments of ratings. This was described in Arpad Elo (creator of Elo system) book, I'm not making things up. And to prevent such pools, you need to stop rating people right from the start and stop them from affecting rating of others. First they must play a considerable amount of games (like 50 maybe) against players who have a well established rating, then they can receive their initial rating (not like now - you say you're beginner, advanced etc during registration and you get rated immediately and you then affect ratings of everyone - that's crazy). And you should not allow tight matchmaking, must be something random within wide range like +/- 200 Elo to ensure good cross-play, yes that would be predictable win/loss but this is necessary to avoid localized distortions.

I wasn't even accusing you of yapping, but you know what, I'm not old enough to be involved in this and just stayed quiet. Have fun checking elo ratings being oppressive I guess.

Basket is just a janko alt

Janko is probably barely even 25

I don't think so because basket is always trying to start an argument with me and claims Kramnik doesn't accuse people of cheating whereas Janko just wants chess to be fairer even if he is a little extreme.

He had the same profile picture (ai generated ) that janko had about a month ago or even earlier(when he first created the account)

My style and ideas are completely different. No similarities at all. Your conspiracy theory is concerning, are you ok?

So says the conspiracy theorist lol

You don't really have the defence for a profile picture that was the exact same as his

Either 1.your a alt that decided to team up with him or

2.janko

Either way it's basically the same person 🤣😝🤣🤣🤣

basketstorm

Look at my profile pic, it is a pawn. I'm not Janko, I told you, Janko told you. Who is conspiracy theorist. Why do you ignore my point about our ideas being different completely?

BigChessplayer665
basketstorm wrote:

Look at my profile pic, it is a pawn. I'm not Janko, I told you, Janko told you. Who is conspiracy theorist. Why do you ignore my point about our ideas being different completely?

Just cause you have "math " doesn't make math correct good sir

And 2. Your aggressively denying it plus i'm ignoring your ideas mostly cause they are all dumb anyway 

basketstorm
BigChessplayer665 wrote:
basketstorm wrote:

Look at my profile pic, it is a pawn. I'm not Janko, I told you, Janko told you. Who is conspiracy theorist. Why do you ignore my point about our ideas being different completely?

Just cause you have "math " doesn't make math correct good sir

And 2. Your aggressively denying it plus i'm ignoring your ideas mostly cause they are all dumb anyway 

We post at different time, Janko is absent while I'm still posting how could that be. Janko also has very distinctive style of writing.

JankogajdoskoLEGM
BigChessplayer665 wrote:
basketstorm wrote:
BigChessplayer665 wrote:
XPGK99 wrote:
BigChessplayer665 wrote:
PlayerIDC wrote:
basketstorm wrote:
PlayerIDC wrote:

Bro I know you are angry abou elo rating being oppressive, but to be honest, what do you think chess.com will do? I feel like chess.com won't really do much since it's their site and they're not gonna change the elo to a better and unoppressed elo rating. What do you even mean the chess elo being oppressive? I don't see anyone describing chess elo as oppressive or something similar to that. Anyway I don't really care about this chess elo not being really good what do you want me to do, and all this yapping isn't even gonna improve the situation.

Yapping is what you're doing. There are few simple steps that can be done to improve the situation with ratings. I commented in other topic, copying here:

They can't break through the low Elo barrier because many low Elo players are highly skilled and they keep each other down. Like if 90% of 200 Elo players are as strong as 1000 Elo, they will be paired against each other and winratio will be 50% so their rating will not change. (sure 5% are truly 200, but another 5% is say 1200 who climb to their unwanted destination - 300 where other 1200s are crumpled). This is just an example, proportions could be different, but when there's not enough crossplay and when initial rating is inherently inaccurate such situations are unavoidable. This is called a localized pool. To remove such pools chess.com needs to conduct mandatory pool-joining tournaments and do hard recalculation with reassignments of ratings. This was described in Arpad Elo (creator of Elo system) book, I'm not making things up. And to prevent such pools, you need to stop rating people right from the start and stop them from affecting rating of others. First they must play a considerable amount of games (like 50 maybe) against players who have a well established rating, then they can receive their initial rating (not like now - you say you're beginner, advanced etc during registration and you get rated immediately and you then affect ratings of everyone - that's crazy). And you should not allow tight matchmaking, must be something random within wide range like +/- 200 Elo to ensure good cross-play, yes that would be predictable win/loss but this is necessary to avoid localized distortions.

I wasn't even accusing you of yapping, but you know what, I'm not old enough to be involved in this and just stayed quiet. Have fun checking elo ratings being oppressive I guess.

Basket is just a janko alt

Janko is probably barely even 25

I don't think so because basket is always trying to start an argument with me and claims Kramnik doesn't accuse people of cheating whereas Janko just wants chess to be fairer even if he is a little extreme.

He had the same profile picture (ai generated ) that janko had about a month ago or even earlier(when he first created the account)

My style and ideas are completely different. No similarities at all. Your conspiracy theory is concerning, are you ok?

So says the conspiracy theorist lol

You don't really have the defence for a profile picture that was the exact same as his

Either 1.your a alt that decided to team up with him or

2.janko

Either way it's basically the same person 🤣😝🤣🤣🤣

Stop bully Basketstorm, He and I are two different People, How many times i need to say it? I dont have alt account. Bigchess you are still fuming probabbly because Of Two times i managed to stalemate you!!! Indeed my dear friend,

Annyia3

Interesting topic

Annyia3

As i switched to a new phone, and could not recall my old password, i created a new account.

Annyia3

On my old account i was stuck at 1300 rating for years, and all of a sudden on my this new account i have 1700 rating. Dunno how its explained.

MaetsNori
Annyia3 wrote:

On my old account i was stuck at 1300 rating for years, and all of a sudden on my this new account i have 1700 rating. Dunno how its explained.

Perhaps you're playing better.

Or, it could be because your account is relatively new, and you're still riding the "provisional bump", as I call it. Play at least 100 games or so, and you should see your rating settle closer to your actual playing strength (wherever that may be).

JankogajdoskoLEGM
MaetsNori wrote:
Annyia3 wrote:

On my old account i was stuck at 1300 rating for years, and all of a sudden on my this new account i have 1700 rating. Dunno how its explained.

Perhaps you're playing better.

Or, it could be because your account is relatively new, and you're still riding the "provisional bump", as I call it. Play at least 100 games or so, and you should see your rating settle closer to your actual playing strength (wherever that may be).

Game is rigged

BigChessplayer665
basketstorm wrote:
BigChessplayer665 wrote:
basketstorm wrote:

Look at my profile pic, it is a pawn. I'm not Janko, I told you, Janko told you. Who is conspiracy theorist. Why do you ignore my point about our ideas being different completely?

Just cause you have "math " doesn't make math correct good sir

And 2. Your aggressively denying it plus i'm ignoring your ideas mostly cause they are all dumb anyway 

We post at different time, Janko is absent while I'm still posting how could that be. Janko also has very distinctive style of writing.

Just for reference it exposed yourself 🤣🤣

BigChessplayer665
Annyia3 wrote:

On my old account i was stuck at 1300 rating for years, and all of a sudden on my this new account i have 1700 rating. Dunno how its explained.

I dunno t could be tilt or your overrated sometimes people tilt for years and don't realize it . Typically for me if I open a new account it evens out at 2100-2200 I haven't had a jumb where I reached 2500 at a new account

basketstorm
BigChessplayer665 wrote:
basketstorm wrote:
BigChessplayer665 wrote:
basketstorm wrote:

Look at my profile pic, it is a pawn. I'm not Janko, I told you, Janko told you. Who is conspiracy theorist. Why do you ignore my point about our ideas being different completely?

Just cause you have "math " doesn't make math correct good sir

And 2. Your aggressively denying it plus i'm ignoring your ideas mostly cause they are all dumb anyway 

We post at different time, Janko is absent while I'm still posting how could that be. Janko also has very distinctive style of writing.

Just for reference it exposed yourself 🤣🤣

Wdym

HangingPiecesChomper

yup, there are many 1500 players here that are much stronger than 2100s here.

very rigged site.

MasterJyanM

Whýyyyyyyyyyyÿyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy