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jrm05

Im pretty sure they use bot as humans players. im a normal 1400 player and i played everyday. I am now 1100.  Not because im too weak, i sometimes played 91% accuracy and the lowest was 59 or less on my worst. On my best at 1100 player, i battle with someone who is 88- 90% accurate most of the times with a weird names photos and etc. And at my worst, we are both below in accuracies. Means it depends how we played the game and the human bot depends on how you manage to counter those moves. You need to outplayed them on opening to midgame coz they crushed you instantly on midgames if you don't have enough skills. Im on Champion League Level. 

I am very annoyed on this Chess.com strategy. Did everyone notice that searching or finding opponents are too fast, unlike Lichess. 🤔

TheNameofNames

prolly

satan_llama

Maybe yes, maybe not who knows....but sometimes we humans do play significantly worse and tilt due to certain reasons such as ego, mood etc.

ReindeerHamburgers

I wouldn't be surprised if they used two strategies. One, bots at different levels, not to intentionally bring down your rating but to make sure you are at the level you are supposed to be at. I am not against that.

The second use is similar to their daily puzzles. I remember they said something where a day like Monday has the easiest puzzles, then they get more difficult as the week progresses. This means at certain times you will get stronger competition.

The natural instinct here is to rematch or play someone else instead of stopping. Try this approach. Play a game after a 3 or more hour break. If you win, play more. If you lose, you can try one or two more, but if you continue to lose, STOP. Wait.

This might be a way that they prevent cheating. I played a game where I lost my queen, and there was an easy mate but they also lost their queen. They make it so your accuracy levels in the game are matched by "the opponent". I find this very hard for a human to achieve.

Another thing you can try is just take all their pieces and see if they resign. A human is more likely to do this because they know the result. If it is a computer it will continue and make moves to get you in a stalemate. Hard to believe an opponent would miss forks, captures, make bad queen moves and then all of a sudden become an endgame specialist.

marqumax
No, maybe occasional cheaters, but no bots as such
matteoruggiero

I don't think so, maybe in the lower elos because there's no pairing but I don't think you'll get paired with bots at 1000+ elo

mtlf

They 100% use them to keep you playing an at a certain level.. Half of the players you may see that you play againts, only have games played that day on their profile... Its say that they charge for analysis and game play when you are not even playing real players online..

Martin_Stahl
mtlf wrote:

They 100% use them to keep you playing an at a certain level.. Half of the players you may see that you play againts, only have games played that day on their profile... Its say that they charge for analysis and game play when you are not even playing real players online..

The site does not use bots in the player pools.

putshort
If they suspect cheating then one of the methods that they’ve used in the past was to pair the suspect with a bot. This happened to a famous Greek WGM who had been kicked off the site for cheating. In her rebuttal she argued that one of her recent opponents who lost had played nearly perfect chess as well. The retort by an IM Pr.. was, “Well, yeah, but that opponent was Rybka 4.” That was a long time ago so I don’t know if they pair suspects with bots anymore.
learningthemoves
“Play the pieces, not the player.”
1tacticalmaniac
Martin_Stahl wrote:
mtlf wrote:

They 100% use them to keep you playing an at a certain level.. Half of the players you may see that you play againts, only have games played that day on their profile... Its say that they charge for analysis and game play when you are not even playing real players online..

The site does not use bots in the player pools.

I assure you they do. They just don't want you to know. Just like years ago they denied having rampant cheating. Now we all know online chess is nearly unplayable due to cheating. Lie lie lie. Nothing new. The OTHER site is far better than this disgrace of a site.

Martin_Stahl
1tacticalmaniac wrote:
Martin_Stahl wrote:
mtlf wrote:

They 100% use them to keep you playing an at a certain level.. Half of the players you may see that you play againts, only have games played that day on their profile... Its say that they charge for analysis and game play when you are not even playing real players online..

The site does not use bots in the player pools.

I assure you they do. They just don't want you to know. Just like years ago they denied having rampant cheating. Now we all know online chess is nearly unplayable due to cheating. Lie lie lie. Nothing new. The OTHER site is far better than this disgrace of a site.

Some people assume that's the case but that's all it is, assumptions. People create accounts and play. The site itself doesn't use bots in the player pools and has it's own section for playing the computer.

daycounterwinner

I hope not

H9TK

Probably

gkhndmgc

Everyday I see opponents doing the same openings and 10 to 20 moves after that 100% same. Is this a coincidence? Is there only one opening and combination of moves to play at chess? Everyone is doing the same moves? I don't think so. It doesn't look or feel like I am playing with real people here.
I think they really use bots whose profiles look like players too. I don't know the reason behind it, but I don't care. Even when I win, I realise bots. No one gives his queen in front of a pawn all of a sudden! It is nonsense. By the way, if you win 4-5 games in a row, expect a sudden 100% accuracy bot after that. You are certainly gonna lose 5-6 games. Both wins and losses are suspicious to me, so I will just close my account and never look back. There are more websites to play against people.

xekosher
Gyuygi
Martin_Stahl
gkhndmgc wrote:

Everyday I see opponents doing the same openings and 10 to 20 moves after that 100% same. Is this a coincidence? Is there only one opening and combination of moves to play at chess? Everyone is doing the same moves? I don't think so. It doesn't look or feel like I am playing with real people here.
I think they really use bots whose profiles look like players too. I don't know the reason behind it, but I don't care. Even when I win, I realise bots. No one gives his queen in front of a pawn all of a sudden! It is nonsense. By the way, if you win 4-5 games in a row, expect a sudden 100% accuracy bot after that. You are certainly gonna lose 5-6 games. Both wins and losses are suspicious to me, so I will just close my account and never look back. There are more websites to play against people.

A lot of players play popular openings but can you give examples of multiple games 20 moves deep that are the same? 10 moves is more likely as a lot of players think openings win games and will have 6-10 moves memorized.

The site doesn't use bots in the random pools and if you play the bots in the vs Computer section you'll see they play differently than most people.

MaetsNori
gkhndmgc wrote:

I think they really use bots whose profiles look like players too. I don't know the reason behind it, but I don't care. Even when I win, I realise bots. No one gives his queen in front of a pawn all of a sudden! It is nonsense.

In this game you played, on move 15, your opponent played ...Ne5, attacking your queen on f3.

Instead of moving your queen to safety, you thought for 8 long seconds ... then you played Nb3??, hanging your queen for absolutely no reason.

According to your logic, this is "nonsense" - and perhaps this proves you are a bot, because no human plays like that. tongue.png

AngryPuffer

I made an argument about this on another forum. i stated some facts like

  1. 75% of people below 2000 on lichess play the italian game
  2. One move threats are very common and are played even if they are a waste of time
  3. Many will never resign even if they are completely lost and getting checkmated.
CitadelTrill

I've been accused of actually being a bot, or using a bot in bullet games by less experienced players, just because my accuracy is sometimes higher than my ELO might suggest. I've never played someone I believed to actually be a bot, especially on bullet. I run into almost the same people constantly depending on my ELO, and that's part of what makes it hard to climb higher - as a lazy chess player who refuses to study 😂 but I say that to say, I get accused of cheating far more than I suspect others.

Often the games where my accuracy is on point, as well as my time management, is due to my opponent walking face first into a super obvious line, wherein they follow the main line examples and it's almost natural reflex while playing in your phone.

Are they bots or are you in your feels? I'm not saying they're not!

Just something to think about.