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Is chess a sport? Ending the debate

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ex-drinker

I think they're actually called "athletics" not sports

CharlestonViennaGambit

It is! You can lose tens of calories and even punds at a serious chess tournament. happy

Optimissed

I understand ex drinker's comment but at school we had sports days. I was a very good javelin thrower. I never thought it wasn't a sport. I had a girlfriend and she would win victrix ludorum every year for high jump, long jump and 100 yards. She never trained and the next best girl trained for weeks and couldn't beat her. More like a fun afternoon for her and she felt sorry for her opponents and slightly ashamed. So I'm not really sure she even knew she was doing sports.

ex-drinker

being a sport or not, isn't good or bad

it's just a kind of taxonomy

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Optimissed

I've been trying to work out how to upload pictures. It used to be no problem but they seem to have changed the rules a few times and I didn't keep up. Sorry for using this as a test bed but someone not on this thread wanted to see this pic. It's the young lady in question circa 1969. The victrix ludorum type.

Optimissed

This is the other thread.

Chess is not a sport. A silly idea that it is a sport, accepted only by the credulous!

Ziryab

Dictionaries document common usage. Or, at least, that’s the claim. But, when the dictionaries ignore the usage of a substantial minority of writers/speakers, their purpose becomes prescriptive instead of descriptive.

ex-drinker

but language is alive too. sometimes words change their meaning over time, and it's hard to know why exactly.

the dictionary should follow the language, not try to lead it.

mpaetz

Good dictionaries show all the different meanings of a word, note which are rare or used only in particular circumstances, give obsolete meanings that may be encountered in old writings, and explain the origin of the word.

A lot of disagreements in these forums arise from posters' concerts that only their interpretation of a term can be correct.

lfPatriotGames
mpaetz wrote:

Good dictionaries show all the different meanings of a word, note which are rare or used only in particular circumstances, give obsolete meanings that may be encountered in old writings, and explain the origin of the word.

A lot of disagreements in these forums arise from posters' concerts that only their interpretation of a term can be correct.

That's true. A while ago someone posted a definition of the word sport from a few centuries ago. It said something like "merriment" or "pastime". Back then chess could probably be defined as a sport.

But over time the meanings of words can change. Culture and language change. In the 1700s one could reasonably make the argument that chess could be a sport. But that's not the question. The question, the title of this topic is "Is chess a sport". Not WAS but IS. Present tense.

Currently chess is not a sport. Because we are using current definitions of words and current language and culture. But that could change. Who knows, maybe 300 years from now chess might be a sport.

mpaetz

As you say, cultures make a difference in people's views. In the USSR chess clubs, events and masters' salaries came under the purview of the ministry of sport, so it's only natural that those living in former Soviet republics would consider chess to be a sport.

Did you ever solve your plumbing problem?

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lfPatriotGames wrote:
mpaetz wrote:

Good dictionaries show all the different meanings of a word, note which are rare or used only in particular circumstances, give obsolete meanings that may be encountered in old writings, and explain the origin of the word.

A lot of disagreements in these forums arise from posters' concerts that only their interpretation of a term can be correct.

That's true. A while ago someone posted a definition of the word sport from a few centuries ago. It said something like "merriment" or "pastime". Back then chess could probably be defined as a sport.

But over time the meanings of words can change. Culture and language change. In the 1700s one could reasonably make the argument that chess could be a sport. But that's not the question. The question, the title of this topic is "Is chess a sport". Not WAS but IS. Present tense.

Currently chess is not a sport. Because we are using current definitions of words and current language and culture. But that could change. Who knows, maybe 300 years from now chess might be a sport.

Yes. Also yes.

Optimissed
Ziryab wrote:

Dictionaries document common usage. Or, at least, that’s the claim. But, when the dictionaries ignore the usage of a substantial minority of writers/speakers, their purpose becomes prescriptive instead of descriptive.

Some people make the mistake of thinking that dictionaries provide answers which are prescriptive, to problems regarding definitions etc.

lfPatriotGames
mpaetz wrote:

As you say, cultures make a difference in people's views. In the USSR chess clubs, events and masters' salaries came under the purview of the ministry of sport, so it's only natural that those living in former Soviet republics would consider chess to be a sport.

Did you ever solve your plumbing problem?

I didn't. But someone else did. It was just a matter of isolating where the water was going. time consuming, but it worked. It was a sprinkler.

Optimissed

leaking hose?

Optimissed

Or are they fixed, underground, I expect.

meYournext
I think it is. Sport is: An athletic activity requiring skill or physical prowess and of ten of competitive nature.
Ask you google/ safari for the definition or trust me. Ches is a competitive sport and requires skill.
So, it is a sport!
PS. Try to beat that explanation
meYournext
IS CHESS A SPORT
Yes. Chess is a board game for two players, called White and Black, each controlling an army of chess pieces, with the objective to checkmate the opponent's king. It is sometimes called international chess or Western chess to distinguish it from related games such as xiangqi and shogi.
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Trexpunch1 wrote:
IS CHESS A SPORT
Yes. Chess is a board game for two players, called White and Black, each controlling an army of chess pieces, with the objective to checkmate the opponent's king. It is sometimes called international chess or Western chess to distinguish it from related games such as xiangqi and shogi.

Obviously you haven't given any argument as to why you think it's a sport. Actually, nobody who thinks it's a sport gives good arguments but you haven't even tried to give an argument.