Kramnik Hates Chess.com

@Samyuuuel, sure. Before making a move, do not rush, pretend that you've made it (you can draw an arrow with right mouse button) and then pretend that you are now playing your opponent's pieces and want your opponent (not you) to win. Just think longer, go through every piece and every possible move for that piece, look for best moves like capture or maybe about making a threat to some piece. That's how you can avoid some very obvious mistakes like giving out your Queen (in one of your games you've captured a Knight with your Queen, but that Knight was protected by a Bishop and the Bishop took your Queen). That is only a first step but it already should bump up strength of your play significantly.

Calling out chess.com to ban Vladimir Kramnik here.

Thanks bro

Eh?

(10 minutes of Kramnik blocking and reporting masters in Titled Tuesday)

@MaetsNori block and report is not an accusation. He is just asking cheat-detection team to do a check. You did some reports too don't you.

Yep it's called crying over the game

Requesting that the cheat-detection team to do a check, from the privacy of your account, is one thing.

Kramnik is a former World Champion, with a global audience, in front of whom he is publicly recording himself, while showing his opponents' screennames, as he reports them for "cheating", while saying things like:

"No doubt, for me. I report. ... Very often one move is enough indicator. It's just, like, impossible to find ...d4. Absolutely impossible."

"Sometimes you lucky, and you get not too many cheats. But sometimes ..."

His words are quite clear in their meaning. He's not suggesting that his opponents are vegans, or Catholics, or some other random thing. He's declaring that they cheat.

The curious thing about this, to me, is how he concludes that even those who merely draw against him must be cheating ...

I mean if there are no doubts absolutely why can't he express that publicly. Your chess.com might have rules against "public accusations" but it is chess.com rule. On Youtube he can say whatever he wants. And the fact that he is a World Champion, a chess player, means something. He knows something about chess to be sure in certain cases. Just like chess.com employees can be "sure" that someone has cheated. I see nothing wrong here. Kramnik can justify every his word.

And that is called an abuse of power

"Your" chess.com? Not sure what that's about ...

Anyway, I didn't say that I feel he should be silenced. I don't mind Kramnik pursuing his quest - it makes for some interesting chess drama.

I simply pointed out that what he's doing is quite clear, and not ambiguous in any way: he's accusing certain players of cheating.

Now I suppose we could argue about terminology. We could say he's not "accusing", but "insinuating" (or "suggesting" or "implying" or "hinting", etc ...), but I'm sure we can all agree that the central topic remains the same: this is about cheating, and Kramnik's ambition to determine (or prove) which players he believes are doing it.

Chess.com is doing abuse of power, Kramnik cannot ban anyone.

Your chess.com because you are defending this business for some reason. It's ok if Kramnik is accusing an obvious cheater. Too much respect you have to cheaters. They don't deserve that.

You are playing online - you're a suspect. No one is by default honest online. No one can be trusted. Because it is so easy to cheat. Don't be naive.

Imagine two passages, one with ATMs and video cameras, another is dark, without lights, without cameras and often thefts happen there, thieves steal money from pockets, from purses.

You can be a very honest person, a saint. But if you are choosing to walk through that dark passage each time, do not be SO insulted when people suspect you. They have valid reason - your pockets are full of money.

By money here I mean rating, wins. Passages - 1) OTB with high security (not implemented yet) and 2) online (no control at all).

You might be confusing me with another member on this thread. I haven't defended chess.com as a business - not that I recall.

Regarding Kramnik - his criteria for an "obvious" cheater appears to be anyone who outplays him, or draws him, in blitz.

This doesn't strike me as particularly rigorous, nor convincing.

Even Magnus and Hikaru - arguably the two strongest blitz players on Earth - find themselves getting stomped now and then.

Not too long ago, Magnus got checkmated by an FM who played a sacrificial check; someone rated 500 points lower than Carlsen, OTB.

Such is the thrill, and the chaos, of blitz.

Sure with faster time control outcomes are less predictable. But Kramnik is not that bad at Blitz (he was a World Blitz champion too not too long ago and also this year performed quite well against jospem). And what do you think about Krakozia experiment? Basically when Kramnik was playing undercover from a different account, same players couldn't beat him as easily. Like when he was playing as himself, he was almost last in the list, but undercover he easily got into top-5. How to explain all that? I don't want to accuse anyone (I will only quote Caruana: over 50% cheat in TT) but there's a lot to unpack.

Are you in the medieval times where you can shout witches to all the ladies anytime you want?

You know you two can't be trusted on that theories right? You two are just accusing someone because of a 1 move that a person played with your own observations which is obviously just opinions no data, or chart and evidences to justify that theory. For example accusing someone for cheating in just playing ke2 without any valid reasoning

"Regan also addressed Chess.com's Hans Niemann report which stated that the American teenager "likely had cheated in more than 100 games" online—more than he admitted to. The professor conducted his own statistical analysis that found that Niemann cheated in 32-55 games."

https://www.chess.com/news/view/fide-finds-carlsen-not-guilty-in-niemann-case-fined-10-000-for-withdrawal

Also, you changed the subject, Kramnik's obvious cheating accusations.

You can't prove anything to anyone. Even if what you say is obviously right to most people, there are some people that refuse to listen.There are still flat earthers somehow nowadays. Chess.com is no different in terms of the fact you can't prove you are not cheating, but they don't have very harsh punishments to cheating, which I believe chess.com should be harder on cheating to discourage them. They should eliminate the opening of a second account after being caught cheating, they should ban people by their IP, but not shut down the site. Throwing random accusations at people also needs to stop. It just brings a lot of negativity and does not help anyone. I accused someone of cheating about a month ago out of pure anger. I still feel stupid for doing it.

This thread seems to be getting nowhere. Has anyone changed their minds as a result of what has been posted? Has anyone learnt anything?