Kramnik Hates Chess.com

And you & Danya will go down in history with a higher status than Kramnik right?

I have been reading this debate, and here are my opinions.

1. You cannot prove that you are not a cheater. Nobody can. So it's your right to be suspicious of people.

2. However, a majority of people are not cheating. Accusing people of cheating, I believe, is against the Chess.com policy, so Kramnik getting muted is justified.

3. Online cheating is a problem. I believe that Kramnik is fighting for a just cause, but going about a little bit too far. Chess.com needs to crack down on online cheating. It's no fun for anyone playing a cheater. How to do that, though, is something I don't have any ideas for. Any ideas?

4. You should not attack someone during a debate, just their points, pointing at one's elo and calling them insults is not exactly going to get someone to agree with you.

5. The problem with chess cheating reporting, is that sometimes people, out of rage, accuses people of cheating when in reality, they just got outplayed. I believe that is what ibrust is trying to say.

I will say though as well, basketstorm, if you get insulted and report someone for calling you a dunce, then maybe you should not be on here. There are people that will insult you online, and you just have to learn to deal with it. Reported someone for calling you for calling you a dunce does not really improve my perception of you. To one, it might make you look soft and emotional, and that's not the type of person to talk about accusations of cheating, as it supports the claim that you can't really be talking. Just saying, you have to be more formal when it comes to debating to get people to support you.

Kramnik is a very interesting character. On one hand, he is fighting something that's not a very good thing(cheating, obviously), but on the other hand, he is spreading negative energy throughout the community, and blocking anyone that disagrees with him. Kramnik is bringing a negative energy to the community, and actions need to be taken to stop it. Simple as that. I'm not saying I support cheating, but throwing empty accusations at people who happen to be playing well, does not strike me as very positive.

Also, in chess, sometimes you have good days, where you play well,( I had a 13 game win streak one time) and other days you played like a 100 rated player(I lost 16 of my 18 games one day and titled nearly 200 elo recently). Just because you got outplayed, does not mean your opponent cheated. That is not a good mindset to have, and it just brings such a negative energy.

3.Lot of ideas (apart from complete cessation of online pvp of course that'd be the most effective method):

• They could've at least stopped this policy of second and third chances (if you ban - ban forever if you are 100% sure he is a cheater, if you are not 100% sure then change that "banned for violating fair play" message because potentially false accusations are as bad as the cheating itself, should be set to something like "pending for review, this is common and not an indication of fair play violation". Cheaters know that in the worst case they just will have to be more careful in their next account. This is a spit in the face of honest players.
• they should start banning by IP-address/browser-fingerprint (easy to do), look up by user-names to ban double accounts (like this @ibrust user has a second account @ibrust777 - should be easy to detect if they will care)
• start forcing users to provide phone number for authorization (harder to make new account - need new SIM each time)
• give less visibility to online ratings. Because rating is one of the motivations. From showing only approximate rating to hiding it completely. Removing leaderboards. I mean if you can't avoid manipulations in your leaderboards, you have to stop showing them
• make tournament awards hidden. So often I've seen cheaters reach top places in tournaments. They love that.
• make fair play calls mandatory even for non-titled but high rated players even if all they do is just some online blitz, not even tournaments. Like "you were picked for a fair play check, please schedule a call with us, pick time slot etc, prepare your ID, two cameras, one will capture you and your device and room from the back, other will show your face and other side of the room. Your problem where to find two cameras, combine a smartphone with laptop/webcam etc. You would be asked to make a tour around your room with either of cameras. Your account would be put into suspended state until you can arrange this". On this call an expert would ask player to analyze some positions out loud. They might take positions from player's own games. Then the player will have to play a few games under surveillance.

Pretty good ideas ngl. That would definately help.

You are wrong, I don't have to deal with it, mods have to deal with it. There's a community policy here. And one of my points initially in this topic was how mods often ignore verbal abuse but quickly close topics about cheating. I am formal enough: I don't insult people.

But is accusing people constantly of cheating against the chess.com policy? It makes sense they would ban someone if they reported players like there is no tomorrow. I do agree, that verbal abuse is never really taken seriously, and that it should be reduced here. People don't want to have someone to bully them every day for saying their opinions.

I mean they don't ban just accusation topics, topics where topic starter wants to discuss cheating issue get removed. They might even lock this topic for such discussion.

But that would mean he has almost nobody to hate.

a) lol doxxing would be me finding your home (and publishing this info), while your accounts are both public already, it's not illegal for me to tag every your account

why do you need two accounts by the way? speed run? that's sus

b) precise IP ban alone isn't enough but paired with browser fingerprinting and other factors like activity by time graph it can be done still, dynamic IPs often start with same numbers anyway. for smartphone apps there are ways to identify same smartphone

c) why, that would be very effective measure and honest player will pass it easily. would you agree for such fair play call or you have something to hide?

d) there are regular tournaments and for some cheaters ability to win in a tournament and get a visible award is a motivation

e) that's not my real rating, for some people who care about rating too much, there's a big temptation to "fix" it by using external help. to remove cheating you must remove at least some motivations to cheat

f) kids should not be allowed here. there's chesskid.com

Just a very long list of bad ideas that will not work.

Propose better ideas instead of just calling my ideas bad

Btw, you are one of the reasons why kids should not be allowed here, because it seems like it takes nothing for you to abuse people verbally, who knows what you would say in game chats.

Why is everyone in such support of naroditsky all of a sudden, I mean yeah he seems like a nice guy and all but it's not like he knows (or probably cares) who any of you are and will only end up gaining more viewership then ever before so if anything kramnik has done him a favour

Sir you are 500 elo. There are very little cheaters at that level.

@sqjs, "sir"? Did you just assume my gender? It's not about me or my rating or my experience. I don't even play online.

Ban kids not to punish but to protect. Chesskid.com is a safe space for kids where you cannot set username (it's randomized), cannot set profile picture and cannot chat. It is created by chess.com if you didn't know. Here you can put disturbing images into profile pics, set offensive nicknames, kids don't need to see that.

Just because some action can be bypassed doesn't mean this action should not take place as it will prevent at least someone from creating a new account after a ban. Making new account should not be that easy. These actions should work together with authorization through SIM card and everything else.

Sure that will help with cheating too. Because:

- Kids are natural cheaters. They cheat in games, they cheat on exams.

- It's unethical and illegal to force them to go through fair play calls. Easier to just ban.