Also, who asks questions about a chess player's games if they are not suspicious? Common sense that he's basically accusing Hikaru of cheating. Implications are key. What you can see outside of what he is saying. Anyone can see that Kramnik is, without saying it, accusing literally anyone on a good day of cheating. You can tell by his language, his expressions, anything. You can sometimes just know what someone is trying to say without them needing to say it. For example, if I say, it would be a shame if something happened to your muffin, you can infer I am stealing that muffin. Same thing applies here. Kramnik is pretty much saying" Wow, Hikaru is on a record streak. Chess.com should not look into him for cheating in the slightest." Like, nobody is taking that with a grain of salt. He is clearly accusing him of cheating. It's obvious. Anyone who says he is not is either lying to themself or not the brightest.
Kramnik Hates Chess.com
Cheating is a problem, and you can't prove who is a cheater or not. But accusations are only justified if the player is playing a lot then usual consistently or always playing the best move when it counts. Hikaru is literally the second best player on this planet, so him beating everyone is not unbelievable, he is better than them after all. If a 1000 rated player was beating 2000's easily, then that is suspicious. That's like a sports player who is averaging 30 points get accused of PEDs after he averaged 35 points in a month, compared to valid claims if an athlete went from 10 points to 40 points a game for a year. Hikaru is innocent, no questions asked. He is literally better than everyone in the world not named Magnus Carlsen. So beating people you are better than and playing slightly better is suspicious. Ridiculous.
ibrust, don't start on Danya's "just doing a speedrun", because there's more than that engine usage during speedrun, if you focus just on the speedrun, you're manipulating.
And Kramnik did try to handle this privately.
All Kramnik's suspicions are reasonable. I think Danya is most likely innocent but his case doesn't look so clear:
- - 400-point rule farming (Danya admitted and expressed readiness to sign petition to remove 400-point rule)
- - inflated online rating (Danya admitted)
- - engine usage during speedrun (Danya admitted and apologized)
- - claim that moves were not entered manually (Danya refused but failed to prove, 20 second were cut from the video and the original uncut video is lost according to Danya - that added suspicions)
- - suspicious gazes (Danya refuses, but this is well documented in his own videos and requires further examination to tell if there is a pattern)
- - suspicious consideration of Bishop's move (Danya refuses, several GMs not only Kramnik found this sus)
- - refusal to play OTB with Kramnik (Danya explains that Kramnik is much stronger and Danya will lose and Kramnik will use this as "proof")
- Jekyll & Hide - just watch and you will understand
All together these points are not any proofs of cheating and Kramnik never said these were proofs of cheating. But it gives plenty reasons to be suspicious and demand examination. This is not about paranoia.
You, basketstorm, are probably a suspect human being at best. If you can't trust people of cheating, what else can you not trust people with? Literally EVERYTHING. Nobody can prove anything to each other. However, people trust each other because they are good human beings who trust you to not be a terrible person. Then, when someone says you should trust more people, you snap at them and tell them they are being stupid. If you don't trust anyone, I assume you are not a pleasant person to be around.
You don't play on Chess.com because you fear Stockfish is around every corner. Most people are not like that. Have more respect and trust for people. Just saying. People are not as bad as you might think.
AlekhineEnthusiast46 wrote:
"Also, who asks questions about a chess player's games ..."
What you said is of course true and I don't believe anyone of any intelligence is naive enough not to not know it, including Basket. It just serves his purpose to ignore it.
You, basketstorm, are probably a suspect human being at best. If you can't trust people of cheating, what else can you not trust people with? Literally EVERYTHING. Nobody can prove anything to each other. However, people trust each other because they are good human beings who trust you to not be a terrible person. Then, when someone says you should trust more people, you snap at them and tell them they are being stupid. If you don't trust anyone, I assume you are not a pleasant person to be around.
Stop these manipulations. Imagine a 1-on-1 poker house where players allowed to bring their own decks of cards. And no one checks decks for markings. Or maybe they do check but often fail to see the markings. If you don't have any trust there you're just being logical, not paranoid. Same with online chess.
You don't play on Chess.com because you fear Stockfish is around every corner. Most people are not like that. Have more respect and trust for people. Just saying. People are not as bad as you might think.
Wrong. There are many reasons why people should stop playing online chess. One of the most important is the topic of accusations. Think harder
You should think harder if you think online chess should be terminated. It's faster, easier, and you can play more people. It has helped expand the chess community to millions upon millions. Why would you want to stop it? Online chess might be the only way some people play due to time and availability. OTB chess is fun though.
There is a reason millions still play online chess knowing some people are cheating. It's fun, cheating is not very common, I, in my 2 years of chess, have only faced 30 cheaters, give or take, of over 3,000 games at least, and it's simply more efficient to play online. It takes less time, you can play anywhere, the benefits outweigh the doubts in this case. Online chess, much like any technology, is here to stay and will only grow.
You should think harder if you think online chess should be terminated. It's faster, easier, and you can play more people. It has helped expand the chess community to millions upon millions. Why would you want to stop it? Online chess might be the only way some people play due to time and availability. OTB chess is fun though.
And you know what is even more faster and accessible? Bots. You don't even need internet connection. And they imitate human play very realistically, you can't tell human from bot.
Millions - I don't know about numbers, we can't trust numbers here, no reasons to trust chess.com and their statistics.
Why would you want to stop it?
Because online pvp is ruining the integrity of this beautiful game.
Online chess might be the only way some people play due to time and availability.
They will play bots and will be happy. I will ban online chess, I promise you. I am preparing an open letter to Grandmasters to demand full closure of all online chess platforms and if chess platforms will refuse, they will push for bans on state-level to restrict access to websites etc.
Kramnik's case against Danya is reminiscent of political prosecutions in authoritarian regimes. Everything that can possibly be treated with suspicion is amplified as such, even when there are normal explanations. You're guilty until you prove yourself innocent, and good luck trying.
With did that with online casinos and online crypto-markets, we will do same and even stricter with online chess.
Kramnik's case against Danya is reminiscent of political prosecutions in authoritarian regimes. Everything that can possibly be treated with suspicion is amplified as such, even when there are normal explanations. You're guilty until you prove yourself innocent, and good luck trying.
That's normal in sport. Learn about doping control and stop playing that victim card.
Kramnik is going about the issue of cheating in a completely wrong way. He's just implying that any titled player who happens to be on a good week a cheater, which causes negative energy in the community. Kramnik needs to be stopped to get rid of the negative stigma in the community.
Online pvp chess needs to be stopped. Because there's no way to prove that some online player is not cheating. So we must assume that everyone is cheating. But there must be some priority in the list of people to examine. And it's obvious that players who perform exceptionally well must be in the top of that list. It's only about control. Completely normal thing in any sport. Imagine athletes being pissed and playing an insulted victims just because they have to do blood tests for doping control? Stop playing this victim card. There's nothing personal.