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puzzle rush score (5 min) vs OTB rating strength ?

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Elroch

Puzzle Rush is more like blitz (or even bullet for really good solvers). Tactics trainer is much like OTB chess (given solving is without an analysis board). A version of tactics trainer where you had unlimited time and an analysis board would be like daily chess, but sounds tough!

But with tactics trainer it depends how you use it. Some rarely spend a minute on a problem, others use a lot more.  Time is hugely important for solving tactics.

Wouldn't the average Puzzle Rush score be more relevant than the best? You don't get rated by picking your best game from the last few months. wink.png

dopolian

Well, according to the table above I'm 2400 blitz...a but of an overstatement, don't you think? Although my peak is at 2346.

Elroch

It's certainly going to be a relationship with a random component, like say the relationship between height and weight.

Michael-Holm

@Elroch you're 2499 in daily but only 1688 in blitz? That's crazy.

TuoKaerf
btickler wrote:
Loganrithm wrote:

I think Puzzle Rush more accurately reflects Bullet rating rather than Blitz rating due to the time pressure. I normally get 30-34 but I also mouse-slip a lot.

Great example of the point I was making about playing unlimited attempts vs. once/day.  Your average score is 15.68, but your top score is 34, in over 2000 attempts.  Your average time spent per move is maybe 5 seconds...which makes sense, because you can just keep trying over and over so why not guess faster?

My top score is 21, my average score is 14.30, and my average time/move is is 13-15 seconds, which undoubtedly reflects my nature, but also reflects that I am only able to try once/day.  My longest streak is 20 correct in a row, one less than my highest score.  But I have 63 attempts, and only once per day, so there's no way to get into a flow.

Clearly you are better than I (which is why it's not a perfect example), but the high of 34 vs. 21 is somewhat deceptive.  The 15.68 vs. 14.30 is more accurate, but also not correct.  In terms of OTB ratings, I agree that clearly puzzle rush correlates much better with bullet and blitz ratings, but I think it would prove a fairly poor predictor of OTB ratings in standard time controls.

P.S. I don't really care about my ratings on chess.com, but I don't want puzzle rush to become some e-peen measuring stick in general.  We already have enough of that on the forums .

You'll get there happy.png I just got back from a tough OTB tournament and my Puzzle Rush abilities have improved greatly! I can get above 30 nearly every time whereas before I was getting 24-27 most of the time. The secret? Play long OTB chess games! grin.png Rapid or Classical on Lichess is also good. I'm going to try until I get 40! lol

 

DiogenesDue
Loganrithm wrote:
 

You'll get there I just got back from a tough OTB tournament and my Puzzle Rush abilities have improved greatly! I can get above 30 nearly every time whereas before I was getting 24-27 most of the time. The secret? Play long OTB chess games! Rapid or Classical on Lichess is also good. I'm going to try until I get 40! lol

I'm not trying to get there wink.png.  I am already at or near the peak of my ability with the playing and reading that I do.  If I were to put in any real work beyond a hobbyist sprinkling of a few hours/week, chess wouldn't be a game anymore.

I was just pointing out that puzzle rush high scores are not that accurate in determining OTB playing strength, especially at standard time controls.  If you look at Elroch's profile, for example, you can compare his average vs. yours, then compare his high vs. yours.  Averages are not a real measure, either...you seem to let your puzzle rush sessions time out sometimes, for example.  I might let my daughter do a position, or hold my mouseclick while she ponders my proposed move, etc.  Someone else might be watching porn while they play...the direction of this thread and the comparative ratings charts are just fatally flawed.

The same was and is true for tactics trainer.  When I first came here, I didn't even know there was a rating for them wink.png.  I would walk away in the middle of one and have lunch, etc.  Since I'm not the type to start a new account just to reset my ratings, it is what it is, a meaningless measure.  I could have restarted my account when the 1800 base ratings came out to improve my similarly borked blitz ratings, etc. (you should see all my Bird's Opening and Hippo experiments there wink.png...), but what would be the point?

A prodigy trained completely outside the system against engines only with no rating could appear and wipe out Carlsen 6-0 in a friendly match next week.  Unlikely, but ratings are ultimately a vain and vague approximation that presents a status ladder to climb.

osdeving8

No matter how hard I try, my puzzle-rush score is no more than 25. Howrever, my best rating blitz was 2076.
I can play any tatics, but I'm not too fast in mouse or thinking ... For example, I cant play bullet because my mouse seems to stick on the table, I take too long to do the physical movement, more than the mental move.
Curious enough, one of the tactics in bullet is to avoid long rook moves across the boardwink.png

Elroch
Vicariously-I wrote:

@Elroch you're 2499 in daily but only 1688 in blitz? That's crazy.

It's a fact (although the latter is a 3 month low). But note that I have got an exceptional number of daily rating points from banned opponents. These points did not require me to play as well as the rewards suggest.

I also solve tactics to over 2700 and yet my best Puzzle Rush run ended on a puzzle with rating less than 1600.

I'm either unusually poor at getting good answers very quickly or unusually good at using time well to get better answers. In a sense the two are the same.

cjxchess17

Use the formula 50*(PR score)+200 for a decent approximation

cjxchess17

If you want a more fancy formula: -2229*log base 1429 (Puzzle Rush score)+60*(Puzzle Rush Score)+955 (Only for PR score that is higher than 10)

VikrantPlaysD4

Puzzle Rush Average x9

VikrantPlaysD4

I know that's not a superfancy 'formula'.

cjxchess17
GMproposedsolutions wrote:

cj plot for each 200 point increment of your "fancy" formula versus mine. plot for PR 0-60.



christianpothier

i am a 10 year old kid with a 15 puzzle rush score, is that good?

 

GM_chess_player
christianpothier wrote:

i am a 10 year old kid with a 15 puzzle rush score, is that good?

 

I guess that could be an average. I am also a 10 year old kid but I have 28.

GM_chess_player

You can also use @gserper 's article.

GM_chess_player

here's the link to the article:

just click the blue word

cjxchess17
GM_chess_player wrote:

You can also use @gserper 's article.

 

That's already outdated

josephyossi

im at 24 for im a strong tournament playe! 

dfgh123

You should use your average score for gserpers list, not your all time best, then it makes more sense.