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thainayu

I think we in chess all know there is many disappointed result in competitive chess from draw condition on the board. I would like to propose that we should change some rule to have decisive result instead of draw from some condition

Especially the most problematic draw is repeated move. So I would like to propose that repeated move should count as win for the side with less point of material. And win for black with equal point of material

Reasoning is, I think the one who have less advantage but still can force the other side to repeat move mean their position is a lot better. And White, with initiative advantage, if they can keep material equal or more and still cannot make a move except repeating should forfeit or sacrifice something instead

This solve both the white advantage and deterring heinous way to make easy draw in competition in one go

Any thought?

RSCB2024
Terrible idea
RSCB2024
Draws don’t happen that often and why would black instantly win if the board is equal and moves are repeated? What about if the repetition is forced? Furthermore, If there is no repetition rule the opponent will just keep on doing repetition until time runs out? That’s why it’s a terrible idea
RSCB2024
I’ve also looked at your games and you barely ever draw so why are you complaining?
NoemiS05

Sometimes especially in professional chess draws are just a natural result of the game. We could say maybe something can be changed to make winning a bigger incentive like changing to the points used in football in chess tournaments - 3 pts for win, 1 for draw rather than 1 pt for win, 0.5 for draw as it is now. Or maybe the person with more material after the draw gets 3 pts and the person with less gets 1 pt (both 2 pts if equal material), while a winner gets 5 pts.

But draws are a natural part of chess.

thainayu
RSCB2024 wrote:
I’ve also looked at your games and you barely ever draw so why are you complaining?

I am not very active player myself but I still love to watch competitive chess and see the amazing game playing brilliantly. But, I think we all know full well, there are many disappointed result in the chess world. Especially the latest event, the world champion

I am not blaming the player or any person involved in any event. I think it was the fault of the rule of tournament and the chess game itself that allow and encourage intentional drawing. There are many fold of the problem that stem from that. Especially when the rule have no fallback to stop player drawing indefinitely. It would be better to have a rule to deterring player throwing game by drawing intentionally

And I think they don't have rule for Armageddon because Armageddon is just not really fair and more like gamble to casually bid with time

thainayu
NoemiS05 wrote:

Sometimes especially in professional chess draws are just a natural result of the game. We could say maybe something can be changed to make winning a bigger incentive like changing to the points used in football in chess tournaments - 3 pts for win, 1 for draw rather than 1 pt for win, 0.5 for draw as it is now. Or maybe the person with more material after the draw gets 3 pts and the person with less gets 1 pt (both 2 pts if equal material), while a winner gets 5 pts.

But draws are a natural part of chess.

I don't propose to remove draw, just decreasing it

I am not really against the drawing result if it was the result of serious and brilliant game that both player do everything they can and then cannot do anything better

I am against the draw that was intentionally play because both player want to throw a game so they don't really do a thing and make a draw easily by repetition

They can still draw by stalemate or not enough material or agree on the board after 30 moves and everything was locked. But not by repetition on 10 move. That was my intention of proposal

magipi

You say that draw is a "disappointing result". But if the entire game is exactly the same, but your weird rule causes one side to win, is it any better? Why?

If both sides have only a rook left, how would the game end? They both make 800 moves without repeating somehow, and they both die of exhaustion? Would that be a desired result?

NoemiS05
thainayu wrote:
NoemiS05 wrote:

Sometimes especially in professional chess draws are just a natural result of the game. We could say maybe something can be changed to make winning a bigger incentive like changing to the points used in football in chess tournaments - 3 pts for win, 1 for draw rather than 1 pt for win, 0.5 for draw as it is now. Or maybe the person with more material after the draw gets 3 pts and the person with less gets 1 pt (both 2 pts if equal material), while a winner gets 5 pts.

But draws are a natural part of chess.

I don't propose to remove draw, just decreasing it

I am not really against the drawing result if it was the result of serious and brilliant game that both player do everything they can and then cannot do anything better

I am against the draw that was intentionally play because both player want to throw a game so they don't really do a thing and make a draw easily by repetition

They can still draw by stalemate or not enough material or agree on the board after 30 moves and everything was locked. But not by repetition on 10 move. That was my intention of proposal

So, Nepo vs Dubov style draws? I agree then, because in those games it's an unnatural result - no attempt at a competition was played.

AlbertWW

so what happens during a stalemate?

NoemiS05
magipi wrote:

You say that draw is a "disappointing result". But if the entire game is exactly the same, but your weird rule causes one side to win, is it any better? Why?

If both sides have only a rook left, how would the game end? They both make 800 moves without repeating somehow, and they both die of exhaustion? Would that be a desired result?

I think he's really talking about the kinds of draw where players basically fix the outcome before the game starts.

"I am not really against the drawing result if it was the result of serious and brilliant game that both player do everything they can and then cannot do anything better

I am against the draw that was intentionally play because both player want to throw a game so they don't really do a thing and make a draw easily by repetition"

thainayu
AlbertWW wrote:

so what happens during a stalemate?

From what I propose. Every other rule is not changed. draw is just a draw. Stalemate is just another draw