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jdknowledge123

Is it possible to become near candidate master level (2000) in a year for a 1450-1500 player?

jdknowledge123

Hmm, let's see...On weekdays I can put about 4-5 hours, and on Saturday and Sunday I can put like 14.

Conflagration_Planet

I'm no expert, but I doubt it. If you could, there would be more of them.

gorgeous_vulture

Candidate master is a FIDE designation, not USCF. And no !

heinzie
jdknowledge123 wrote:

Hmm, let's see...On weekdays I can put about 4-5 hours, and on Saturday and Sunday I can put like 14.


Why???

jdknowledge123

Could someone explain why it's not possible to reach expert in a year?

Conflagration_Planet
jdknowledge123 wrote:

Could someone explain why it's not possible to reach expert in a year?


 Because there's too much to learn.

ForzaJuve

possible.... why not?    anything is possible.. why not ask if someone can become world champion in 20 years time.

with any knid of training schedule would you expect anyone to "master" an insturment in a year or master anyfield in art or science?

Anything is possible even if it is highly unlikely.

jdknowledge123

hmm, what about 2 and a half year with that schedule?

TheOldReb
Fezzik wrote:
NickYoung5 wrote:

Candidate master is a FIDE designation, not USCF. And no !


 Actually, USCF also has a CM title. It's harder to earn than an Expert title.

 

But on 4-5 hours a day (plus weekends), that's a hard ask.  You can probably break 1800 on that schedule, but to break expert would require more work. You'd probably need to do it full time for a year, no breaks. And you would need some serious guidance/training.

I've had students break 1800 on that sort of schedule, but it took them a couple years in each case.


 Actually " expert " and "candidate master " in uscf are the same : 2000-2199 uscf rating. Over the years they have changed what they call players rated 2000-2199, sometimes they call them "experts " and sometimes " candidate masters "  but rating wise they are the same.

gorgeous_vulture

I stand corrected!

DrSpudnik

I'm a candidate expert!

WanderingPuppet

jdknowledge, yes its possible I did it myself.  To do so I did the entire chess mentor via chess.com and did post game analysis of my games.  I joined a chess club and i was able to play in tournaments with some frequency (played 60 games last year rated standard to bring my uscf from 1402 to 1943 i believe). most of this improvement happened in a few months.

jdknowledge123

Wow, that must have been grueling. How many hours per day did you spend studying chess Petrosianic? What was your training schedule and according to Fezzik, were you underrated?

LegoPirateSenior
jdknowledge123 wrote:

Is it possible to become near candidate master level (2000) in a year for a 1450-1500 player?


In a year and a week, yes. It helps to start when one is 7-8 years old:

http://main.uschess.org/datapage/ratings_graph.php?memid=12930039

1494 on 2008-01-13

2033 on 2009-01-19

Nakamura and Shankland went from under 1500 to over 2000 in about 15 months. One of the kids currently playing in the Bay Area did it in a year and 6 weeks.

Fastest ever gain of over 500 USCF rating points at this level probably belongs to Steven Zierk:

1549 on 2006-12-21

2059 on 2007-08-164

Look at his ratings' takeoff in early 2007: http://main.uschess.org/datapage/ratings_graph.php?memid=12796611

WanderingPuppet
jdknowledge123 wrote:

Wow, that must have been grueling. How many hours per day did you spend studying chess Petrosianic? What was your training schedule and according to Fezzik, were you underrated?


when was 14/1500 i was somewhat underrated. but at this time i recall i had trouble seeing the whole board quickly, i understood much less about positions.  i didn't study too much, i had school and additionally i suffered from mental illness in the fall.  i had to play very inventively sometimes and i swindled many lost positions.  but when i made mistakes i did my best to learn where and what they were to make sure that i would never make the same mistake again. so that i would come back stronger.  i learned my rook and pawn endgames very well and played many 1700-2000 rated players and now i get to play titled players occasionally. also i became very used to positions where i had to play down an exchange. additionally i played through some games of the current super gm tournaments and some sicilian games to get a feel of the tactics. and where craziness occurred tactically i i would try until i understood. also i would try to maximize the potential for dynamics in the board. i can't say that i studied with much structure, but i took great pleasure doing so and i never avoided positions due to complications [i.e. always played main lines] and would not make a move until i felt i understood what was going on. maybe i get in time pressure more than i should, but at least by that point, i have understood what i have been doing the best i can and i am confident in my technique.  i think i consider more crazy ideas over the chess boards than some other chess players, but i figure if i would have problems with their position, they will have problems too.  of the classical players, i played thru many tal games, which gave me great pleasure. maybe in total i studied chess on average 7-10 hours a week. 60 games really wasn't all that much for standard, i played more blitz chess rated uscf, i learned a lot from that experience too, more games so i could fix my problems more readily.

probably the most important thing i learned is that you don't forego calculation if the alternative is that position is worse or that you are without play.

jdknowledge123

I can't wait to start cracking. 7 hours a day for 5 days and 14 hours on weekends for a year. I wonder if I'll still be sane after this.

TheOldReb
Fezzik wrote:
Reb wrote:

 Actually " expert " and "candidate master " in uscf are the same : 2000-2199 uscf rating. Over the years they have changed what they call players rated 2000-2199, sometimes they call them "experts " and sometimes " candidate masters "  but rating wise they are the same.


 Actually actually...

USCF has instituted a rather inane norm system. Players who break 2000 are still experts, but they don't become "Candidate Masters" until they have achieved the appropriate norms. The CM title is norm based and a lifetime title, the expert title is purely based on ratings.


 What recognition is there for the "titles"  ( USCF ) of expert and or CM ?  Does the qualified player get a certificate ?  Anything ? When I got NM ( 1984 ) I received a certificate from USCF suitable for framing in recognition of my madness and I didnt pay anything for it . ( other than the time and money vested in reaching that point ) What about now ?  I am sure if USCF ever starts charging/receiving $ for titles then soon there will be "titled" players rated under 1000 as well........ its all about the money....

TheOldReb
Fezzik wrote:

I'm a bit frustrated because I was once an "Advanced Expert for Life", but now I'm a 1st Category Player. I didn't know I could be demoted from a lifetime title.


 Until now I have never heard of this "title". Do you have any reliable source(s) that this title exists or ever did and what the requirements are to get it ?

Blackadder
Reb wrote:
Fezzik wrote:
Reb wrote:

 Actually " expert " and "candidate master " in uscf are the same : 2000-2199 uscf rating. Over the years they have changed what they call players rated 2000-2199, sometimes they call them "experts " and sometimes " candidate masters "  but rating wise they are the same.


 Actually actually...

USCF has instituted a rather inane norm system. Players who break 2000 are still experts, but they don't become "Candidate Masters" until they have achieved the appropriate norms. The CM title is norm based and a lifetime title, the expert title is purely based on ratings.


 What recognition is there for the "titles"  ( USCF ) of expert and or CM ?  Does the qualified player get a certificate ?  Anything ? When I got NM ( 1984 ) I received a certificate from USCF suitable for framing in recognition of my madness and I didnt pay anything for it . ( other than the time and money vested in reaching that point ) What about now ?  I am sure if USCF ever starts charging/receiving $ for titles then soon there will be "titled" players rated under 1000 as well........ its all about the money....


In england, the ECF has several rating based titles which you can apply for, starting with 'Chess maestro'  (for finishing 30 games with a rating of 95 [1370 FIDE]) all the way to NM (60 games at 200 [2250 FIDE]) 

While, there is undendiably a monetary incentive for offering lower titles, the fact is, if you want them, you can apply for them.

...and people might apply for them for a variety of reasons, perhaps pride & motivation (esp. true for children), Or in my case having 'ECF country master' on my CV might well help me get the job I want after finishing uni.

So lets not fool ourselves into thinking that offering such titles is a mere exercise in making monney: the federation(s) might well be offering a much needed and useful service to its members.