In blitz:
Chess.com: 2524. Lichess: 2471.
what is your chess.com rating compared to your Lichess rating?
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Jan 18, 2024
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#303
Freewalker wrote:
Another perspective: I keep an eye more on my percentage than on my elo. My lichess blitz rating is higher, but my % there is 67 (better than 2/3 of players) but my chess.com % is over 93% (!) which seems to indicate that the level of active players on Lichess is much higher, at least at my level (1700 blitz).
Actually, as chess.com has by far the most users, it just means that most of them are beginners, so your percentage is greater here.
It makes sense really, the average rating is constantly dropping here, because more and more people are opening new accounts.
nklristic wrote:
Freewalker wrote:
Another perspective: I keep an eye more on my percentage than on my elo. My lichess blitz rating is higher, but my % there is 67 (better than 2/3 of players) but my chess.com % is over 93% (!) which seems to indicate that the level of active players on Lichess is much higher, at least at my level (1700 blitz).
Actually, as chess.com has by far the most users, it just means that most of them are beginners, so your percentage is greater here.
It makes sense really, the average rating is constantly dropping here, because more and more people are opening new accounts.
That doesn't make any sense since the beginners improve as they play more. Your observation would only make sense if the rate at which new players joined were higher than the rate at which the previous batch of old players improved, which hasn't been the case since the Queen's Gambit boom. In fact, on Lichess, the average ratings increased since 2021 even once "inflation" has been accounted for (I put "inflation" in quotation marks because there was never any inflation; instead, there has been significant deflation - by around 100 points since 2021).
The actual reason that Lichess has a much stronger pool of players is that it has a worse domain name and basically no marketing, as compared to chess.com, which is very strong in both of these departments; therefore, the only people that know about Lichess tend to be seasoned players and/or those deep within the chess community, while practically everyone knows about chess.com. As a result, while the chess.com playerbase represents all active chess players, Lichess's playerbase mostly represents just the experienced/competitive players. The best way to verify this is by comparing the Lichess blitz percentiles to USCF classical percentiles: they are almost identical (once the ratings have been converted so as to be comparable).
Jan 18, 2024
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#305
maxkho2 wrote:
nklristic wrote:
Freewalker wrote:
Another perspective: I keep an eye more on my percentage than on my elo. My lichess blitz rating is higher, but my % there is 67 (better than 2/3 of players) but my chess.com % is over 93% (!) which seems to indicate that the level of active players on Lichess is much higher, at least at my level (1700 blitz).
Actually, as chess.com has by far the most users, it just means that most of them are beginners, so your percentage is greater here.
It makes sense really, the average rating is constantly dropping here, because more and more people are opening new accounts.
That doesn't make any sense since the beginners improve as they play more. Your observation would only make sense if the rate at which new players joined were higher than the rate at which the previous batch of old players improved, which hasn't been the case since the Queen's Gambit boom. In fact, on Lichess, the average ratings increased since 2021 even once "inflation" has been accounted for (I put "inflation" in quotation marks because there was never any inflation; instead, there has been significant deflation - by around 100 points since 2021).
The actual reason that Lichess has a much stronger pool of players is that it has a worse domain name and basically no marketing, as compared to chess.com, which is very strong in both of these departments; therefore, the only people that know about Lichess tend to be seasoned players and/or those deep within the chess community, while practically everyone knows about chess.com. As a result, while the chess.com playerbase represents all active chess players, Lichess's playerbase mostly represents just the experienced/competitive players. The best way to verify this is by comparing the Lichess blitz percentiles to USCF classical percentiles: they are almost identical (once the ratings have been converted so as to be comparable).
Average rapid rating here is now 640 (you can check it if you click the global rating list). It was a few hundred points higher when I joined in 2020. (at the very least was 800-900, maybe even more than 1 000, I am not completely sure). It is steadily going down.
And 640 rating is basically a beginner. Yes some beginners improve, but many improve a little and the vast majority of people are below 1 000 rating.
And why is the rating going down? The site has 170 million of accounts (that info is a few months old, I am not sure of a current number), it passed 100 million 2 years ago perhaps or so. The site just has a steady influx of new players and vast majority are beginners. That is evident in the average rating.
Nice it took me 5 hg
Lichess classical 1725
Chess.com no such category - why not
nklristic wrote:
maxkho2 wrote:
nklristic wrote:
Freewalker wrote:
Another perspective: I keep an eye more on my percentage than on my elo. My lichess blitz rating is higher, but my % there is 67 (better than 2/3 of players) but my chess.com % is over 93% (!) which seems to indicate that the level of active players on Lichess is much higher, at least at my level (1700 blitz).
Actually, as chess.com has by far the most users, it just means that most of them are beginners, so your percentage is greater here.
It makes sense really, the average rating is constantly dropping here, because more and more people are opening new accounts.
That doesn't make any sense since the beginners improve as they play more. Your observation would only make sense if the rate at which new players joined were higher than the rate at which the previous batch of old players improved, which hasn't been the case since the Queen's Gambit boom. In fact, on Lichess, the average ratings increased since 2021 even once "inflation" has been accounted for (I put "inflation" in quotation marks because there was never any inflation; instead, there has been significant deflation - by around 100 points since 2021).
The actual reason that Lichess has a much stronger pool of players is that it has a worse domain name and basically no marketing, as compared to chess.com, which is very strong in both of these departments; therefore, the only people that know about Lichess tend to be seasoned players and/or those deep within the chess community, while practically everyone knows about chess.com. As a result, while the chess.com playerbase represents all active chess players, Lichess's playerbase mostly represents just the experienced/competitive players. The best way to verify this is by comparing the Lichess blitz percentiles to USCF classical percentiles: they are almost identical (once the ratings have been converted so as to be comparable).
Average rapid rating here is now 640 (you can check it if you click the global rating list). It was a few hundred points higher when I joined in 2020. (at the very least was 800-900, maybe even more than 1 000, I am not completely sure). It is steadily going down.
And 640 rating is basically a beginner. Yes some beginners improve, but many improve a little and the vast majority of people are below 1 000 rating.
And why is the rating going down? The site has 170 million of accounts (that info is a few months old, I am not sure of a current number), it passed 100 million 2 years ago perhaps or so. The site just has a steady influx of new players and vast majority are beginners. That is evident in the average rating.
Look at the graph. It used to have a zero-skew normal distribution just a few years ago. Now, however, there is a clear positive skew. That means that either there has been a significant paradigm shift in how chess players improve (unlikely), or the players on the tail end of the distribution are still actively improving (a lot more plausible).
Even if I am wrong in my assertion that new players no longer join at a higher rate than the previous batch of new players improves, your reasoning is still incorrect. It doesn't follow from the mere fact that chess.com has a lot of new players joining that chess.com must therefore see its average ratings constantly decrease. This is clearly refuted by the fact that Lichess also has a lot of new players joining and yet its ratings are constantly increasing. The real reason that chess.com's percentiles are much higher than on Lichess is what I described in my previous comment: Lichess attracts players who are serious about chess (which makes these players improve faster compared to chess.com, in addition to drawing in a higher proportion of experienced players as compared to new players).
Jan 18, 2024
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#309
1042 chesscom 1500 lichess (the default rating) as I don't play there
Jan 18, 2024
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#310
my lichess is low (1700) 😭
EDIT: I just brought it to 1806
(same as my rapid)
Jan 18, 2024
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#311
@maxkho2
What I've said was that his percentage is greater here because of more beginners on this site (most people are beginners, as the rating average of 640 suggests, and this can't be disproven).
And the average is dropping which is undeniable, as 1000 is certainly a greater number than 640. You may look at it any way you wish, but I do not need better evidence than that, that this rating is falling. I am looking at this rating from time to time, and have noticed it long ago. For instance, last time I looked at it, it was just below 700.
From April 2023, I've found it:
So it was 670 back then. Now it is 640, as I've already shown you.
The average rating on lichess and lichess tendencies are completely meaningless for me, I am talking strictly about chess.com average rating, and you can't speak about chess.com through lichess glasses, as you said it yourself, player pool is different, especially on the lower end, and that lower end is making chess.com average rating decrease, even though lichess's average is increasing (I'll take your word on it because I have no idea about lichess average rating).
nklristic wrote:
@maxkho2
What I've said was that his percentage is greater here because of more beginners on this site (most people are beginners, as the rating average of 640 suggests, and this can't be disproven).
And the average is dropping which is undeniable, as 1000 is certainly a greater number than 640. You may look at it any way you wish, but I do not need better evidence than that, that this rating is falling. I am looking at this rating from time to time, and have noticed it long ago. For instance, last time I looked at it, it was just below 700.
From April 2023, I've found it:
So it was 670 back then. Now it is 640, as I've already shown you.
The average rating on lichess and lichess tendencies are completely meaningless for me, I am talking strictly about chess.com average rating, and you can't speak about chess.com through lichess glasses, as you said it yourself, player pool is different, especially on the lower end, and that lower end is making chess.com average rating decrease, even though lichess's average is increasing (I'll take your word on it because I have no idea about lichess average rating).
Let me quote you to remind you what you said: "it makes sense really, the average rating is constantly dropping here, because more and more people are opening new accounts".
I'm not disputing that chess.com's average rating is dropping because it has increasingly more beginners; that's obvious. I'm disputing your assertion that "more and more people opening new accounts" necessarily means there should be more beginners at any given time.
That assertion is provably false, since Lichess also has more and more people opening new accounts, but the number of beginners there only deceases, as proven by the fact that the average rating there rises when deflation is controlled for.
The average rating on chess.com is indeed falling, but that's NOT just because new players keep joining it; it's rather because that the players that do join it are mostly casual players who don't improve much (due to not being serious about chess).
Jan 19, 2024
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#314
maxkho2 wrote:
nklristic wrote:
@maxkho2
What I've said was that his percentage is greater here because of more beginners on this site (most people are beginners, as the rating average of 640 suggests, and this can't be disproven).
And the average is dropping which is undeniable, as 1000 is certainly a greater number than 640. You may look at it any way you wish, but I do not need better evidence than that, that this rating is falling. I am looking at this rating from time to time, and have noticed it long ago. For instance, last time I looked at it, it was just below 700.
From April 2023, I've found it:
So it was 670 back then. Now it is 640, as I've already shown you.
The average rating on lichess and lichess tendencies are completely meaningless for me, I am talking strictly about chess.com average rating, and you can't speak about chess.com through lichess glasses, as you said it yourself, player pool is different, especially on the lower end, and that lower end is making chess.com average rating decrease, even though lichess's average is increasing (I'll take your word on it because I have no idea about lichess average rating).
Let me quote you to remind you what you said: "it makes sense really, the average rating is constantly dropping here, because more and more people are opening new accounts".
I'm not disputing that chess.com's average rating is dropping because it has increasingly more beginners; that's obvious. I'm disputing your assertion that "more and more people opening new accounts" necessarily means there should be more beginners at any given time.
That assertion is provably false, since Lichess also has more and more people opening new accounts, but the number of beginners there only deceases, as proven by the fact that the average rating there rises when deflation is controlled for.
The average rating on chess.com is indeed falling, but that's NOT just because new players keep joining it; it's rather because that the players that do join it are mostly casual players who don't improve much (due to not being serious about chess).
Then you must have misunderstood me.
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It's rather because that the players that do join it are mostly casual players who don't improve much (due to not being serious about chess).
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This is exactly what the point of my first post is. 
That is why I mentioned that most of people on the site are beginners. I thought that was obvious from that post.
My Elo there 1454 How much is my rating worth here?
Feb 28, 2024
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#319
BASODAN wrote:
My Elo there 1454 How much is my rating worth here?
Just a guess, but take -500pts from your Lichess ratings to get a predicted Chess.com rating.
Feb 28, 2024
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#320
In Rapid
Lichess: I'm constantly beating players rated from 1500 to 1750. My rating stays above > 1500
Chess.com: I have a hard time against 1000-1100 players. I lose to some 900-1000 players. Not even lose, I've been destroyed.
In Blitz
Lichess: I'm constantly beating players rated from 1200 to 1400. My rating stays above > 1200
Chess.com: I have a hard time beating opponents rated 700-800.
Accuracies:
In Lichess, I usually get accuracies at around 80, sometimes up to 95% according to Lichess engine.
In chess.com, my accuracy is around 60 to 75% according to chess.com engine.
Random perceptions:
At chess.com there are phenomenons I almost never encounter in Lichess:
1. Most of the time I lead the game, sometimes by a fair margin. Then I end up losing. Almost like playing a weak player at the beginning, then playing a much stronger as the game goes on. On Lichess I seldom lose when I feel I'm on top, here I'd bet money that my strong start ends up badly.
2. With my main openings as black&white, I thought I have seen all counters on Lichess. At chess.com I encountered totally new and deadly counters to my strategies. Chess.com for me was like entering an adult league after playing with my own age.
What is 1614 lichess rating in chess.com? My chess.xom rating is 1395
1614 on Lichess in Rapid is equivalent to around 1250 on chess.com.