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Who is better Paul Morphy or Magnus Carlsen

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ponz111

If Morphy was time machined to this month there would be at least 2000 people who could beat him in a match.

Polar_Bear

Paul Morphy had an amazing ability to learn new things from his strong opponents. In his match vs Harrwitz he lost first 2 games, then he won 5. In his match vs Anderssen he lost 1st, drew 2nd and then he started winning, but Anderssen also learned from Morphy, albeit slower, and fought back later with 1 additional victory and 1 draw.

So if Morphy faced Carlsen in a match, he would lose 1-3 initial games and then turn it around. Therefore, Carlsen should win short FIDE knockout match, Morphy any other longer match.

SupremeTactician

carslen would smash morphy; he is better at positional play.

Clark_20
Haha are you kidding ? Morphy of course. Back then there were no computers or chess books. Morphy taught himself how to play on the board.
Elroch

Carlsen has the huge advantage of being alive. To my knowledge, no dead chess player has ever won the world chess championship.

paknik1

Chess players are trash. Idiot and stupid. That is why they think Carlsen better than Morphy. Do you think the earth is higher than the sky?

BronsteinPawn

Carlsen is obviously better.

If you think that a chess player from 2 centuries ago is better than the current World Champion you should check your mental health.

Perhaps you should ask who is more talented.

fabelhaft

"Carlsen is obviously better"

It may seem obvious, but the majority of all the posts in this sort of thread always state that the chess level has deteriorated enormously over the centuries together with the professionalisation of the game. Even amateurs that played a few dozen competitive games, didn't have GM coaches, engines, databases, extensive opening theory knowledge, professional training since childhood, constant top level tournaments, modern books, etc etc etc are still considered to have played better chess than the best players today do :-)

Ziggy_Zugzwang

I can't believe Batman could possibly beat Superman and therefore can't be bothered to watch that film.

BronsteinPawn

It may seem obvious but the majority of all the posts in this sort of threads are always full of retarded people that can´t read nor answer a simple question.

Who is better? Carlsen is better, he has Stockfish and GM coaches.

Who is more talented? That is a different question which all of you are answering in this post which doesnt ask the question.

 

And no, Morphy did not play better chess, his games have some mistakes not to say blunders.

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kindaspongey

"... Morphy became to millions ... the greatest chess master of all time. But if we examine Morphy's record and games critically, we cannot justify such extravaganza. And we are compelled to speak of it as the Morphy myth. ... [Of the 55 tournament and match games, few] can by any stretch be called brilliant. ... He could combine as well as anybody, but he also knew under what circumstances combinations were possible - and in that respect he was twenty years ahead of his time. ... [Morphy's] real abilities were hardly able to be tested. ... We do not see sustained masterpieces; rather flashes of genius. The titanic struggles of the kind we see today [Morphy] could not produce because he lacked the opposition. ... Anderssen could attack brilliantly but had an inadequate understanding of its positional basis. Morphy knew not only how to attack but also when - and that is why he won. ... Even if the myth has been destroyed, Morphy remains one of the giants of chess history. ..." - GM Reuben Fine

It is perhaps worthwhile to keep in mind that, in 1858, the chess world was so amazingly primitive that players still thought tournaments were a pretty neat idea.

BronsteinPawn

Perhaps some people will be interested in checking  the book "Morphy from Botvinnik".

kindaspongey

Chess from Morphy to Botvinnik by Imre König

BronsteinPawn
kindaspongey escribió:

Chess from Morphy to Botvinnik by Imre König

Yep.

https://www.amazon.com/Chess-Morphy-Botvinnik-Century-Evolution/dp/0923891455

polyglot777

morphy in the same circumstances, with the same technology, same evolution of chess, same tools, same history of masters play to study, would defeat magnus, though I think it would be on helluva match

BronsteinPawn
ab121705 escribió:

morphy in the same circumstances, with the same technology, same evolution of chess, same tools, same history of masters play to study, would defeat magnus, though I think it would be on helluva match

Your statement does not say that Morphy was a better chess player than Carlsen but perhaps more talented, so it has nothing do to with this thread.

paknik1

Donkey doesnt play chess....the computer are playing

ponz111
ab121705 wrote:

morphy in the same circumstances, with the same technology, same evolution of chess, same tools, same history of masters play to study, would defeat magnus, though I think it would be on helluva match

This is not likely at all. Morphy was the best of a relatively small group of players while magnus is the best of a large group of players. So using probability math--magnus would be much better.

BronsteinPawn

Computers are used when preparing but people still play chess themselves, you are retarded and I dont know how you got to 2200 blitz, perhaps magic.