Help with draws?

hi. i have a chess club at my school and i am by no means great at chess. i had never played before, but my principal asked me to go to a teacher training course so i could learn to play and run a club with some of the students at my school. i love playing, but i have much to learn. 

can anyone answer a question for me that came up during last week's club. i have read a lot about draws and i have read the rules for draws on the 50 move rule and also repetition of position. 

last week one student said he could have a draw for repetition of position and i am not sure if what he did was correct. we have not started notating yet, so i do not have that to offer. from what he said, it sounded like he decided to move one of his pieces back and forth 3 times and then said it was a draw. does that count? it seems to me that that would be more along the lines of the 50 move rule. i'm not sure if i'm making this clear enough, but if anyone could help explain when the 50 move rule comes in and when the repetition of position rule comes in, that would be much appreciated. 

thanks! 

It's actually quite simple.

3-fold repetition - If both sides repeat a position three times it's a draw.

50-move draw - If there are no captures or pawn moves for 50 moves it's a draw. This almost always happens in the endgame.

Agreement - 2 players can agree to a draw at any point, although the draw cannot be pre-arranged (made before the game).

Insufficient material - If there's not enough material on the board to score a mate--for example, one king each--it's a draw.

"it sounded like he decided to move one of his pieces back and forth 3 times and then said it was a draw."

Don't let him get away with it! It's only a draw if his opponent also moves his pieces back and forth. Both sides must repeat the same position (not move) three times in a row.

Both rules are really pretty simple and not at all related to eachother (more than that both leads to a draw).

The threefold reptition rule says that it's a draw if the exact same position occurs three times in a game. A common misconception here is that it would have something to do with a move being repeated, this is not the case.

A position in this case means both pieces and avalible moves. So for this rule to be valid there need to be three occations where all pieces are in the exact same spot, both players got the same castling possibilities and so on. This goes for en passant too, if a en passant is possible in one position but not the other then they're not the same.

The 50 move rule simply means that if there are 50 moves in a row where no material is captured and no pawn has been moved it is a draw. 

thank you! 

so both sides must make the exact same position 3 times for it to be a draw?

i was trying to read about some examples on wikipedia, but i really just don't understand the examples. does anyone know where a good example is notated so that i can show this student what a draw based on repetition of position will look like?  

Well, since it's for your "kids", I found a good example. It's a 30-second video:

http://www.chessdryad.com/education/magictheater/rep/rep_01.htm 

 thank you so much!! that is great!! 

many many thanks to everyone who answered! i really appreciate it.  

 hi,if you didn't know perpetual check is three fold repitition,in a situation where the king is trapped and can be continuously checked by the queen(for example) and he has only one square to move to,so this goes on continuously until the game results in a draw.Thumbs up for mentioning the stalemate.

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Report me for spamming? I don’t see what I did wrong lol. 
I know that bumping isn’t appreciated, but it isn’t something I can get reported for (I think?). Anyways sorry for the bump lol :0

Please don't bump old topics. There's usually no reason to reply to such an old topic and bumping, just to bump them is really against the posting guidelines.

At ancient times the people knew chess so deep that they only agreed to a draw often. The persian then involved into it the idea of castling! The french who brought that mind game to europe invented the principle of the center e4 and gambits!!