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IonutBogdan

Hello all!

I would like to begin by thanking to the chess.com staff, who are more than helpful and everyone here tries to improve things so that the app and the website rock! We all value your hard work.

However, I would like to bring to everyone's attention, especially to the chess.com moderators/staff, that would be a good idea if chess.com will make a difference on the subscription fees according to the country we are living in. I'm not saying that I couldn't pay myself the annual fee, even though it would represent a small effort, but it could be other people, coming from poor countries who cannot afford it. Besides, I don't think that is fair for someone who earns, for example, $300 a month(that being the average pay in that country, verified) to pay the same amount as someone who comes from a country where earning $3000-4000/month is common place. I know that you cannot possibly reduce to just 10% the price, but maybe to cut it by half it is both reasonable and possible. I think that this could also bring new premium members from such parts of the world. As an example, more users would be content because they can access premium features and, as such, the profit might increase by their mere number. Another good idea would be to just provide special discounts for such members.

I am sure that this should not anger other people from rich countries since their subscription fee represents a lot less as a percentage from their net wage as compared with people from developing countries or countries that are undeveloped.

What do you think? Isn't this a good idea to implement?

Just for your information, you have here a list with the average salary per countries: 

https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/country_price_rankings?itemId=105

NikkiLikeChikki
What if one person is poor from a rich country, and the other rich from a poor country? How is that fair?
baddogno

Pretty sure they do that already, at least for some countries.  Someone from India was complaining in the forums that when he tried to gift a membership it was considerably more expensive than his regular subscription cost.  Have no idea how to find the thread again, sorry.  Also have no idea how many or what countries get the discount.  I looked at the time and couldn't find anything official about the policy.  Anyway, good idea, but I think they already do it.

IonutBogdan

NikkiLikeChikki, it is a small possibility to be right in some isolated cases. But the other way around is also possible - someone from a rich country to be even richer than their average, which is by itself a lot higher than in poor countries. Compare, as an example, Nigeria with average pay of only $170/month with the States, where it is $3524/month. Do you think it's the same thing? Should most of the people from, say, Nigeria be deprived of the possibility to learn and access premium features just because they can't really afford it? 

Moonwarrior_1

Interesting 

IonutBogdan

baddogno, thanks for your kind reply and support, but here in Romania, where we earn an average of $688(with many people unemployed or below that figure), we still have to pay $99/year. I think that you pay the same in your country, isn't it?

NikkiLikeChikki

The point is that poverty is individual. There are poor people in the US and the cost of food and rent is much higher. It’s not how much money you have, but how much you have left at the end of the month. To say that one person should pay more because their neighbors have a lot of money is silly.

You can get a gold membership for $2.50 a month. For that you can do 10 puzzles and many lessons a week. It’s not a lot of money, and you can find free puzzles all over the internet and videos on YouTube.
IonutBogdan
NikkiLikeChikki wrote:

The point is that poverty is individual. There are poor people in the US and the cost of food and rent is much higher. It’s not how much money you have, but how much you have left at the end of the month. To say that one person should pay more because their neighbors have a lot of money is silly.

You can get a gold membership for $2.50 a month. For that you can do 10 puzzles and many lessons a week. It’s not a lot of money, and you can find free puzzles all over the internet and videos on YouTube.

Yeah sure, with a gold plan of only $2,5/month you only get 25 puzzles/day and Just 3 lessons/week, to be fair to the end...

baddogno
IonutBogdan wrote:

baddogno, thanks for your kind reply and support, but here in Romania, where we earn an average of $688(with many people unemployed or below that figure), we still have to pay $99/year. I think that you pay the same in your country, isn't it?

Yeah, that's what I pay.  Of course I'm retired with a fixed income much less than what the average American makes.  I think I understand why Chess.com doesn't have anything "official" about their policy written down anywhere.  It's just too hard to please everyone.  No matter what they come up with, there will be some unfairness.

Jenium

Sounds like an interesting idea...

Of course, it might be not fair on the individual level, but on average it is...

Similarily, the existence of rich students doesn't refute the existence student discounts, for example. At least in my opinion...

IsraeliGal

It's a good idea but you can't realistically apply it. 

Everyones situation is different and it's impossible for chess.com to create a system that takes into account different individual salary, location, etc and deduce what the appropriate payment amount is.

besides chess.com makes money from regular users on the site by plastering the place with ads so i doubt this idea is even on their radar. 

 

tehanu
IonutBogdan wrote:

Hello all!

 

I would like to begin by thanking to the chess.com staff, who are more than helpful and everyone here tries to improve things so that the app and the website rock! We all value your hard work.

 

However, I would like to bring to everyone's attention, especially to the chess.com moderators/staff, that would be a good idea if chess.com will make a difference on the subscription fees according to the country we are living in. I'm not saying that I couldn't pay myself the annual fee, even though it would represent a small effort, but it could be other people, coming from poor countries who cannot afford it. Besides, I don't think that is fair for someone who earns, for example, $300 a month(that being the average pay in that country, verified) to pay the same amount as someone who comes from a country where earning $3000-4000/month is common place. I know that you cannot possibly reduce to just 10% the price, but maybe to cut it by half it is both reasonable and possible. I think that this could also bring new premium members from such parts of the world. As an example, more users would be content because they can access premium features and, as such, the profit might increase by their mere number. Another good idea would be to just provide special discounts for such members.

 

I am sure that this should not anger other people from rich countries since their subscription fee represents a lot less as a percentage from their net wage as compared with people from developing countries or countries that are undeveloped.

 

What do you think? Isn't this a good idea to implement?

 

Just for your information, you have here a list with the average salary per countries: 

https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/country_price_rankings?itemId=105

how do I prove I'm I live in Ethiopia?

I want those cheap memberships 

M-Lander

And here I was, reading OP's more than reasonable, crystal clear and marvelous idea of turning Chess.com into a more inclusive and diverse community when the comments hit me.
I mean... how could I even be surprised?! This species has failed so bad.

pierperona
NikkiLikeChikki escribió:

The point is that poverty is individual. There are poor people in the US and the cost of food and rent is much higher. It’s not how much money you have, but how much you have left at the end of the month. To say that one person should pay more because their neighbors have a lot of money is silly.

You can get a gold membership for $2.50 a month. For that you can do 10 puzzles and many lessons a week. It’s not a lot of money, and you can find free puzzles all over the internet and videos on YouTube.

I'm a college student from a low income country and I find quite expensive to pay for a chess.com suscription. $2.5 might not be much in your country but here its equivalent to a week of public transportation.
Moreover, I think he's rooting for fees proportional to average country income which I think is a great idea. Platforms such as steam enforce a similar policy and believe me when I say it could actually raise chess.com profits. It's called price discrimination and the main idea is to catch most of the demand. 

Martin_Stahl
pierperona wrote:
NikkiLikeChikki escribió:

The point is that poverty is individual. There are poor people in the US and the cost of food and rent is much higher. It’s not how much money you have, but how much you have left at the end of the month. To say that one person should pay more because their neighbors have a lot of money is silly.

You can get a gold membership for $2.50 a month. For that you can do 10 puzzles and many lessons a week. It’s not a lot of money, and you can find free puzzles all over the internet and videos on YouTube.

I'm a college student from a low income country and I find quite expensive to pay for a chess.com suscription. $2.5 might not be much in your country but here its equivalent to a week of public transportation.
Moreover, I think he's rooting for fees proportional to average country income which I think is a great idea. Platforms such as steam enforce a similar policy and believe me when I say it could actually raise chess.com profits. It's called price discrimination and the main idea is to catch most of the demand. 

 

The site already has a regional based pricing model for some regions.

pierperona
tehanu escribió:
IonutBogdan wrote:

Hello all!

 

I would like to begin by thanking to the chess.com staff, who are more than helpful and everyone here tries to improve things so that the app and the website rock! We all value your hard work.

 

However, I would like to bring to everyone's attention, especially to the chess.com moderators/staff, that would be a good idea if chess.com will make a difference on the subscription fees according to the country we are living in. I'm not saying that I couldn't pay myself the annual fee, even though it would represent a small effort, but it could be other people, coming from poor countries who cannot afford it. Besides, I don't think that is fair for someone who earns, for example, $300 a month(that being the average pay in that country, verified) to pay the same amount as someone who comes from a country where earning $3000-4000/month is common place. I know that you cannot possibly reduce to just 10% the price, but maybe to cut it by half it is both reasonable and possible. I think that this could also bring new premium members from such parts of the world. As an example, more users would be content because they can access premium features and, as such, the profit might increase by their mere number. Another good idea would be to just provide special discounts for such members.

 

I am sure that this should not anger other people from rich countries since their subscription fee represents a lot less as a percentage from their net wage as compared with people from developing countries or countries that are undeveloped.

 

What do you think? Isn't this a good idea to implement?

 

Just for your information, you have here a list with the average salary per countries: 

https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/country_price_rankings?itemId=105

how do I prove I'm I live in Ethiopia?

I want those cheap memberships 

There is some called plastic money and it usually verifies all your personal information. Of course there are ways to trick the system but i find quite hard for someone with money to incur the inconvenience for a $1 ,$2 or $5 discount.

pierperona
Martin_Stahl escribió:
pierperona wrote:
NikkiLikeChikki escribió:

The point is that poverty is individual. There are poor people in the US and the cost of food and rent is much higher. It’s not how much money you have, but how much you have left at the end of the month. To say that one person should pay more because their neighbors have a lot of money is silly.

You can get a gold membership for $2.50 a month. For that you can do 10 puzzles and many lessons a week. It’s not a lot of money, and you can find free puzzles all over the internet and videos on YouTube.

I'm a college student from a low income country and I find quite expensive to pay for a chess.com suscription. $2.5 might not be much in your country but here its equivalent to a week of public transportation.
Moreover, I think he's rooting for fees proportional to average country income which I think is a great idea. Platforms such as steam enforce a similar policy and believe me when I say it could actually raise chess.com profits. It's called price discrimination and the main idea is to catch most of the demand. 

 

The site already has a regional based pricing model for some regions.

I might be mistaken but in my region the pricing is the same as any other


Martin_Stahl

I didn't say it was everywhere, just that some areas do have different pricing.

Badfarma07

Yea, will localized pricing be available for others?

caseyfloridian

Unfortunately even if they agreed to this it would be impossible to implement because its too easy to use a VPN which many people would certainly use to get the best price.