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currently, is there any requirements for an account to use forums?
BasixWhiteBoy
zzz_slash wrote:
currently, is there any requirements for an account to use forums?

5 chess games, or something. Where you receive no punishment for playing 3 moves and resigning.

Sir_TrashPanda
zzz_slash wrote:
currently, is there any requirements for an account to use forums?

Just a verifiable email account.

David
sawdof wrote:

As for 'reporting' I sent a message to the @moderator account describing the issue. And the description of the issue contained flagged words.

Ah, so it was in a PM - and not a copy & paste of the content but describing what it was? That does seem like an overenthusiastic application of the offensive word filter to me. If it was up to me, I'd exclude the moderator accounts from those word filters so that people could send that stuff to them, but I doubt if Chess.com will ever invest any effort into that sort of change. Probably best to just send them a link to the offensive post.

David
sawdof wrote:
David wrote:

Makes sense to me - quoting an offensive post is propagating those offensive words, and people need to be responsible for the whole of their own posts. It's easy enough to modify the quote to take out the offensive bits and/or summarize it.

didn't make sense to you that the offensive post shouldn't have slipped through in the first place?

With the ever changing list of words being banned who knows how to sanity check their posts?

So it was just the words and not the pictures? There's definitely some situations where the autofilter ignores the original post but not the post quoting the original post, which is definitely lame - I suspect it's something like the autofilter not applying to posts made from the mobile apps. I agree that's dumb, but it's just a matter of not assuming that the text in something you quote is okay to quote - I stand by the statement that's just amplifying the original content.

David
TheRealWilliam2 wrote:
44 instead of banning every word imaginable, maybe they could just not allow posting images for accounts less than a month old. Seriously, with how easy and efficient such a change would be, it’s baffling they haven’t implemented it yet

I think that's a great suggestion, but as to how "easy and efficient" it would be to make that sort of change? Chess.com has shown no inclination to implement such things for as long as I've been around, so either it's not either of those things - entirely possible because the crappiness of their previous platform is how they justified V3, which was supposed to be better - or it's just not the sort of thing they're interested in. Maybe both - Chess.com has always had this very open posting policy that allows anyone to post whatever they want as soon as they join and the autofilter is a flawed patch they've stuck on afterwards. Maybe if the autofilter was smarter using AI or something, but again, the site is mostly about chess rather than social media, and it'd be the Facebooks or Blueskys of the world that would find it more worthwhile to invest in that sort of thing.

David
sawdof wrote:
TheRealWilliam2 wrote:
48 at this point, it wouldn’t even surprise me if they made a tier below mod that has even less authority instead of giving the existing mods more

perhaps you hadn't heard of the community defenders?

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/community/community-defender

they used to have a group - unsure what happened. @ronaldjosephcote would know

That dates back to my time as a mod - the idea was to involve people who were on a lot to help point out dodgy posts that the mods in that club could then act on. Probably died because the mods were already actioning the obvious stuff and were finding it hard to action the subtler stuff.

David
sawdof wrote:

@david was a mod before and a good guy too but seems to have carried over and transferred his disdain for trolls into the rest of the community for some strange reason.

What happened David?

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/community/david-isnt-david

Got tired of people sh*canning the site with passive-aggressive BS and decided I didn't have to be polite about calling it out any more.

sawdof
David wrote:

Got tired of people sh*canning the site with passive-aggressive BS and decided I didn't have to be polite about calling it out any more.

fair enough. but let's not paint over the whole community with the troll brush.

sawdof
David wrote: ... but I doubt if Chess.com will ever invest any effort into that sort of change. ...

is this not where one might blame the site?

David
AlCzervik wrote:

my interactions with the mod went south during the "frustrated" days. if i remember correctly, he recommended me being banned then.

i have the lowest regard for him.

lol - as if Chess.com requests and makes those sort of recommendations. I'm pretty sure what I said was that if it was me making the decisions, I would have banned you as someone who never says anything positive about the site and only ever adopts the worst opinions of its owners, employees and volunteers who are generally trying to help out. I thought you were being overly harsh on those folks and I tried really hard to present what I thought were perfectly reasonable alternative points of view and possible explanations but you absolutely refused to recognise a single iota of any of that and continued to bad mouth the whole place. Which is you are clearly still doing, despite the fact that Chess.com continues to let you use their services as a basic member.

AlCzervik wrote:

i've had about five topics asking similar questions about staff being absent and useless kid stuff being implemented while functionality and adult supervision suffer.

they don't care.

Articulated in your usually aggressive and highly critical way, no doubt. They've obviously long since decided to just ignore you, which I can't say I disagree with. There are things Chess.com can and should improve and I do agree that they have shown little inclination to implement stuff that sounds like it would be easy that would make a difference, some of it technical, some of it policy-wise, and I found - and still find - that so frustrating as well, and it's why I stepped down from moderating, but that's different to attributing malicious motives and attitudes to the whole organization.

David
sawdof wrote:
David wrote:

Got tired of people sh*canning the site with passive-aggressive BS and decided I didn't have to be polite about calling it out any more.

fair enough. but let's not paint over the whole community with the troll brush.

I didn't think I was, but the offenders often want to declare themselves as representative of the whole community as well. The vast majority of Chess.com members probably never read the forums, let alone post in them.

WTFrickenA
David wrote:

Makes sense to me - quoting an offensive post is propagating those offensive words, and people need to be responsible for the whole of their own posts. It's easy enough to modify the quote to take out the offensive bits and/or summarize it.

...that's fine & dandy, give cc had messaged that to every member they had done it.... to avoid unnecessary ridiculous warnings.

shadowtanuki
David wrote:
AlCzervik wrote:

my interactions with the mod went south during the "frustrated" days. if i remember correctly, he recommended me being banned then.

i have the lowest regard for him.

lol - as if Chess.com requests and makes those sort of recommendations. I'm pretty sure what I said was that if it was me making the decisions, I would have banned you as someone who never says anything positive about the site and only ever adopts the worst opinions of its owners, employees and volunteers who are generally trying to help out. I thought you were being overly harsh on those folks and I tried really hard to present what I thought were perfectly reasonable alternative points of view and possible explanations but you absolutely refused to recognise a single iota of any of that and continued to bad mouth the whole place. Which is you are clearly still doing, despite the fact that Chess.com continues to let you use their services as a basic member.

AlCzervik wrote:

i've had about five topics asking similar questions about staff being absent and useless kid stuff being implemented while functionality and adult supervision suffer.

they don't care.

Articulated in your usually aggressive and highly critical way, no doubt. They've obviously long since decided to just ignore you, which I can't say I disagree with. There are things Chess.com can and should improve and I do agree that they have shown little inclination to implement stuff that sounds like it would be easy that would make a difference, some of it technical, some of it policy-wise, and I found - and still find - that so frustrating as well, and it's why I stepped down from moderating, but that's different to attributing malicious motives and attitudes to the whole organization.

You have to tell me how you included two quotes in the same post. Please?

David
sawdof wrote:
David wrote: ... but I doubt if Chess.com will ever invest any effort into that sort of change. ...

is this not where one might blame the site?

Yes, but I do think there's a difference between being critical of them and just chucking out insults. I suppose if one has gotten frustrated enough at the lack of action on some of this that it's not unreasonable to becomes snippy and snarky about it - I can certainly see that's happened in the way I respond to certain posters and types of posts. Might have to think about that.

shadowtanuki

How did you do break that quote into two parts and get your responses out of the text-box?

Sir_TrashPanda
David wrote:
AlCzervik wrote:

my interactions with the mod went south during the "frustrated" days. if i remember correctly, he recommended me being banned then.

i have the lowest regard for him.

lol - as if Chess.com requests and makes those sort of recommendations. I'm pretty sure what I said was that if it was me making the decisions, I would have banned you as someone who never says anything positive about the site and only ever adopts the worst opinions of its owners, employees and volunteers who are generally trying to help out. I thought you were being overly harsh on those folks and I tried really hard to present what I thought were perfectly reasonable alternative points of view and possible explanations but you absolutely refused to recognise a single iota of any of that and continued to bad mouth the whole place. Which is you are clearly still doing, despite the fact that Chess.com continues to let you use their services as a basic member.

AlCzervik wrote:

i've had about five topics asking similar questions about staff being absent and useless kid stuff being implemented while functionality and adult supervision suffer.

they don't care.

Articulated in your usually aggressive and highly critical way, no doubt. They've obviously long since decided to just ignore you, which I can't say I disagree with. There are things Chess.com can and should improve and I do agree that they have shown little inclination to implement stuff that sounds like it would be easy that would make a difference, some of it technical, some of it policy-wise, and I found - and still find - that so frustrating as well, and it's why I stepped down from moderating, but that's different to attributing malicious motives and attitudes to the whole organization.

@David, Under what circumstances did you loose your moderator status?

sawdof

well this time it was fast. ibox appeared and disappeared in a minute.

David
shadowtanuki wrote:

You have to tell me how you included two quotes in the same post. Please?

You just need to quote the post, add some of your own text, and then you can copy the quote+text and paste it on a new line, and then you can edit the bits that have been quoted.

You need to add a bit of "normal" text because if you just copy & paste the quoted text, that formatting seems to take over your whole post, and your replies look like they're part of the original quote (which they obviously are not)

shadowtanuki

I'm gonna try it