Rating Problem/Cheating

My rating is ridiculously high, I should be this good!  The main reasons seems to be: I don't timeout and my opponents often do; opponents get bored and quit-I started with postal this seems fast to me; I've been doing this a long time and have quite a collection of books, games and databases, much easier to win with a significant opening advantage.  It is the last rating boost that bothers me most.  One of my opponents (first one for me-cheating obviously isn't that widespread) got closed down for cheating (Bravo chess.com), and his games forfeited.  I got game points, and rating points.  The one makes sense, the other doesn't.  A cheater's rating is a false one. To gain rating points off it is wrong. 

I would like to see a change, assuming it wouldn't cause too many programing problems.  Games lost due to a cheater being shut down should be scored as wins but be treated as unrated forfeits for rating purposes.  I think this might also help with the upward rating drift.  It also reduces the impact of the cheater on the site.

Just a thought, I didn't see this addressed in the FAQ or the cheating threads I looked at.

I think this is a good suggestion

Good suggestion. Probability of being implemented and having puffed up ratings reduced nearly zero .

HeyCarl I disagree with your reasoning, but I agree with your conclusion. I agree getting ratings from a disqualified cheater isn't correct. My reasoning is that rating is a measure of chess perfromance... having an opponent DQ'd doesn't say anything (good or bad) about your chess performance, so your rating shouldn't change.

But a cheater's rating is quite legit in terms of how you do against it. If you beat a 2700 player it doesn't matter if they're a strong human chess player, or if they're a nitwit who leans heavily Rybka... you still deserve a rating adjust for having beaten a 2700. 

Its not that I beat them, or their computer, but that they got caught and forfeited.  Therefore I proved nothing against them or the rating.  Thus I'd rather not get "empty" rating points.  If I beat them, then yes, I deserve the points.

I have been playing here only a couple of months but have already won some games because the opponent timed out. I do notice however, that they usually had a losing position when this happened. I wonder if they really couldn't get back to the game, or just didn't want to resign.  

Great idea ... treat that game as unrated and retro-adjust ratings accordingly.  I for one, have my best CC game  listed against such a person and I don't feel all that great knowing that I won against higher-rated player because of a timeout or if his account closed down.

I'm not talking about timeouts.  Losing on time is losing, over the  board or in correspondence.  Managing your time is as much part of the game as managing your pieces. 

This is solely about extra rating points when a cheater, who probably has an inflated rating, is caught and forfeited by the staff.  Rating inflation is a fact here and this might help rein some of it in.

This is an excellent suggestion. The whole purpose of reducing the impact of the cheater's play is something to consider, especially since a whole bunch of accounts are closed for this reason monthly, and increasing.

im playing live chess my rating is 1161 i have won 4 of my last5 games and my rating hasnt altered why?? can someone tell me please.thanks.

im playing live chess my rating is 1161 i have won 4 of my last5 games and my rating hasnt altered why?? can someone tell me please.thanks.

I don't think the intent is to retroactively correct ratings that were the result of time-outs due to account closures, but only to do so going forward.

I also don't think the intent is to apply this to just any time-outs, but only those that were the result of an account being closed.

I think it is a good idea.

A lot of the games you won recently were unrated (signified by a "u" in the challenge window)... click on "details" to see.

I say again.  The thread is not about timeouts. it is not about timeouts. Discussed many times but not the subject here.

I never said anything about retroactively rerating games, won't work, has been discussed many times..

I said. If a person is caught cheating, the account closed, the remaining games forfeited, then those games should not be rated.

That is my suggestion.

Cedars you need to send a message in help and support.

I don't understand why you are so disturbed about this. If someone times out or is forfeited for whatever reasons, it counts as a win and you get the points. It's the same in OTB as far as I know. We have heard people whining about not getting points but whining about getting them is not terribly interesting either. If you don't deserve them you will lose them soon enough.

I think this is a good idea.

i suspect if the chess.com rating software prog could do this it would already have been done.

always poss to diy, if you think your oppo is banned eg you see the notice or timing out games or daft moves are being made then you may resign some of those games to balance up the ratings a bit

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Oh come on, if my opponent times out or is forfeited, I should resign another game to balance my rating ? Are you sure you are feeling well ?

Oh come on, if my opponent times out or is forfeited, I should resign another game to balance my rating ? Are you sure you are feeling well ?

turn based

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